RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
On that topic though... I would have thought that Prusa could have produced a smaller version of the XL? Maybe a 2 toolhead changer as the first iteration of the Core One 2 or 3 years ago? Then everyone else would have been scrambling to catch up rather than the other way around. But then I suppose if they had, it wouldn't have been competitively priced.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am not convinced Prusa will introduce soon INDX upgrade to Core One, for many reasons:
[...] Prusa would probably not use a 3rd party disruptive technology that would not give him a real competitive advantage if anyone can use it.
[...] Price should stay competitive, say 350 Euros for the main gear plus 150 per head.
You might have missed a few announcements from Prusa and Bondtech? I was originally skeptical too that Prusa would rely on a 3rd party for a core piece of 3D printing technology, i.e. the extruder. But they have already stated now that they will adopt the INDX technology.
And Bondtech has published target ship dates and pricing. Not everything may go exactly to plan, but your price estimates seem very high, especially for the per-head cost.
I am pretty convinced that INDX for the Core One will be "introduced" (i.e. announced) next week. Let's see what the announced ship date and pricing will be; my guess is end of Q1 2026 and a lower price point per head than you suggest.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I didn’t said there will never be any multi-head on Prusa Core printers.
If Prusa can derisk INDX tech and if it is business relevant with Bondtech, there will be one.
not on the CoreOne because size and electronics, merely on Core One L or on what I would call Core One LX with an upgrade from L model.
The XL is too expensive and not flexible enough, but it complete the product range. This is not a mass product like the Core One, but a high end product for the prosumer market.Recent intro of flexible printing is very instructive.
I bought a Core One kit to evaluate Prusa quality and because I thought XL was overkill for my needs. I built/upgraded 2 printers already since 2013 and CoreOne is just an industrial enhanced version of what I upgraded from the Fabtotum ancestor.
I am happy with it because it fulfill my needs and is reliable so far, despite some surprising electronic failure promptly solved by an excellent support team. It is always good to know people behind a product.
I would be Joseph Prusa, I would require for exclusivity on this INDX tech because I don’t want it to erupt on competitors machine. If I am really convinced by the tech, I would just buy it, or if possible the company that own it.
Prusa built factories in the US to compete on this large market, he has possibly enough money to buy INDX and make it profitable.
And honestly, a teaser picture with a core one background is just a teaser.
There were no teaser on CoreOne L...guess why?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I didn’t said there will never be any multi-head on Prusa Core printers.
If Prusa can derisk INDX tech and if it is business relevant with Bondtech, there will be one.
not on the CoreOne because size and electronics, merely on Core One L or on what I would call Core One LX with an upgrade from L model.
The XL is too expensive and not flexible enough, but it complete the product range. This is not a mass product like the Core One, but a high end product for the prosumer market.Recent intro of flexible printing is very instructive.
I bought a Core One kit to evaluate Prusa quality and because I thought XL was overkill for my needs. I built/upgraded 2 printers already since 2013 and CoreOne is just an industrial enhanced version of what I upgraded from the Fabtotum ancestor.
I am happy with it because it fulfill my needs and is reliable so far, despite some surprising electronic failure promptly solved by an excellent support team. It is always good to know people behind a product.
I would be Joseph Prusa, I would require for exclusivity on this INDX tech because I don’t want it to erupt on competitors machine. If I am really convinced by the tech, I would just buy it, or if possible the company that own it.
Prusa built factories in the US to compete on this large market, he has possibly enough money to buy INDX and make it profitable.
And honestly, a teaser picture with a core one background is just a teaser.
There were no teaser on CoreOne L...guess why?
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If Prusa can derisk INDX tech and if it is business relevant with Bondtech, there will be one.
not on the CoreOne because size and electronics, merely on Core One L or on what I would call Core One LX with an upgrade from L model.
I think you are mistaken. See Prusa's recent blog post: "Also, since we’re talking about multi-material printing: more info about INDX for CORE One will be available during FormNext." He would not have posted that if the info at FormNext were "Sorry, it's not going to happen."
I would be Joseph Prusa, I would require for exclusivity on this INDX tech because I don’t want it to erupt on competitors machine. If I am really convinced by the tech, I would just buy it, or if possible the company that own it.
Yes, I am sure Prusa would like that, but Bondtech have already announced that it will not be exclusive. Maybe as a compromise, Prusa will be the only manufacturer that can offer it preinstalled in their printers, but Bondtech will still offer upgrade kits suitable for other printers. (Soeculation on my part.)
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Looking at properprintings reuse of the Nextstruder load sensor in his XL extruder upgrade makes me wonder whether the CoreOne INDX installation will do something similar to allow for load sensor based probing.
I guess it depends on how tight a hold on the nozzle the INDX provides.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Looking at properprintings reuse of the Nextstruder load sensor in his XL extruder upgrade makes me wonder whether the CoreOne INDX installation will do something similar to allow for load sensor based probing.
I guess it depends on how tight a hold on the nozzle the INDX provides.
I was thinking that, it's a cool video.
Out of interest, if anyone knows...on the prototype that Bondtech showed, eg on the small Voron...how was bed probing achieved on that ?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I think you are mistaken. See Prusa's recent blog post: "Also, since we’re talking about multi-material printing: more info about INDX for CORE One will be available during FormNext." He would not have posted that if the info at FormNext were "Sorry, it's not going to happen."
Yeah I dont think he's been paying attention.
Interestingly it looks like there will be another 3rd party involved with the filament storage side of things, also to be unveiled at formnext:
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Yep- wonder if it it will be like a COREBOXX but maybe with motorized loader/unloaders on each spool? Like an AMS but with individual PTFE output tubes? If so that could also mean it's coming for the XL, which could also take advantage of it.
I think you are mistaken. See Prusa's recent blog post: "Also, since we’re talking about multi-material printing: more info about INDX for CORE One will be available during FormNext." He would not have posted that if the info at FormNext were "Sorry, it's not going to happen."
Yeah I dont think he's been paying attention.
Interestingly it looks like there will be another 3rd party involved with the filament storage side of things, also to be unveiled at formnext:
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
If it is like a COREBOXX, but manages to fit four spools and the filament guide tubes for the INDX into a box that sits on top of the printer, that would be a win in my opinion: Bearable size, and maintains a (heatable) enclosed print volume. I am pretty sure it will have readers for the new OpenPrintTags. Not sure motorized loading would be needed?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Hmm, Google already knows a little bit about the INBXX solution. Apparently their crawler found some page it was not supposed to see yet; clicking the link gives a 404 error now.
"Sturdy and stable enough to support any 3D printing printer" sounds more like a box that goes under the printer -- not sure I like that idea, unless I build a custom table for the Core One.
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Hmm, Google already knows a little bit about the INBXX solution. Apparently their crawler found some page it was not supposed to see yet; clicking the link gives a 404 error now.
"Sturdy and stable enough to support any 3D printing printer" sounds more like a box that goes under the printer -- not sure I like that idea, unless I build a custom table for the Core One.
Not sure how that would work, especially on INDX. Maybe an old product that wasn't released ?
I wouldn't be able to see in the top of my printer if filament was underneath...I'd need a stepladder 😂
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The "INBXX" name clearly alludes to the "INDX". And if you look closely at the teaser video above, there is some box visible below the printer -- and it's not a mirror image of the actual printer...
But yes -- a Core One with a spool-sized box below and a hood above to enclose the INDX tubing would be a scary sight.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
The "INBXX" name clearly alludes to the "INDX". And if you look closely at the teaser video above, there is some box visible below the printer -- and it's not a mirror image of the actual printer...
But yes -- a Core One with a spool-sized box below and a hood above to enclose the INDX tubing would be a scary sight.
Yeah I think you're right. Seems a strange design decision though, hopefully that's a choice the user can make.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Maybe not needed but (could) be nice... The COREBOXX dev mentioned he was working with LDO motors for a "premium option" so maybe this is the direction he's going, or maybe it has nothing to do with it 🙂
If it is like a COREBOXX, but manages to fit four spools and the filament guide tubes for the INDX into a box that sits on top of the printer, that would be a win in my opinion: Bearable size, and maintains a (heatable) enclosed print volume. I am pretty sure it will have readers for the new OpenPrintTags. Not sure motorized loading would be needed?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
INDX, INBXX: The war on vowels continues…
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
rather a monkey-on-a-typewriter trademark than paying for name rights...
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
rather a monkey-on-a-typewriter trademark than paying for name rights...
And surprisingly the INBXX name is not exclusive; it is already in use for some Goldman Sachs fund. Which should not create any conflict around naming rights, given the totally different fields, but is not great for Google-ability.