RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Honestly, I think if Prusa give the option of a clear top cover like the U1, Id be happy. I think it looks quite well, no different to a Bamboo or Creatlity with an AMS unit on top. Far cry better than the MMU top cover. The price tag has a bit of a sting though, but does have filtration built in. Which is a must for me, printers are in a very small office space.
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https://voxel3d.nl/pages/coreboxx-standard
https://x.com/voxel3d_nl/status/1979464346871693496
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
How the C1 will perform wrt to reaching chamber temps with a larger volume chamber is another discussion altogether, but this is an obvious hurdle that must've addressed.
I agree, the enclosed chamber was one of the major selling points of the C1.
I agree, this will be extremely important for many of us. I almost never print PLA, often print PETG, and increasingly print ASA or similar. At work I'm mostly printing FR PC/ABS in a 65c chamber. This really is a question of where these companies see their customers asking for. Tons of folks are happy with PLA, and have very little need for chamber heat. If, however, you need to print engineering grade filaments, chamber temp is one of the first specs you look at.
I've been printing some little ASA parts lately, and finally tried the heat gun technique to jumpstart the chamber heat in my Core One, and it really helps. You have to be careful about concentrating too much heat in one place, but it saves a lot of time.
I would love to have a bolt-on thermistor controlled chamber heater for the core one, even if it required separate power and didn't talk to the firmware. A timer switch and temperature control would make me happy. If someone (or even Prusa themselves) made one to fit inside the left chamber pocket, I would jump right on it.
The problem is that true engineering grade materials, good ones, are expensive. And much of what people print (and sell on Etsy shops etc) fit closer to the "trinket" or "toy" label and likely barely make a profit when printed in cheap PLA. Companies that intentionally design around higher temps nozzles and chambers (like Qidi and even Bambu to some extent), will be capturing more of the semi-professional market by spec alone, even before considering price or print quality. There is still a big price (and spec) gap between an expensive consumer printer that can do 65c chamber and, say, the 22 IDEX. I'd love to have a 100c chamber and 200c bed, but the jump from $3k to $15k huge.
-J
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I've been using recently a little (a cube of little more than 2 inch per side) heating block for small reflow soldering that can go up to 100C (even has a little display to set the temp), it needs a decent USB-C source and it can be bought for a handful of dollars on your favorite chinese online shop. Adding a little fan on an ABS mount to circulate the air would be trivial thing, it is small enough to be placed on the bottom of the printer... here you go. If you want a link to the gadget let me know.
I would love to have a bolt-on thermistor controlled chamber heater for the core one, even if it required separate power and didn't talk to the firmware. A timer switch and temperature control would make me happy. If someone (or even Prusa themselves) made one to fit inside the left chamber pocket, I would jump right on it.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I've been using recently a little (a cube of little more than 2 inch per side) heating block for small reflow soldering that can go up to 100C (even has a little display to set the temp), it needs a decent USB-C source and it can be bought for a handful of dollars on your favorite chinese online shop. Adding a little fan on an ABS mount to circulate the air would be trivial thing, it is small enough to be placed on the bottom of the printer... here you go. If you want a link to the gadget let me know.
I would love to have a bolt-on thermistor controlled chamber heater for the core one, even if it required separate power and didn't talk to the firmware. A timer switch and temperature control would make me happy. If someone (or even Prusa themselves) made one to fit inside the left chamber pocket, I would jump right on it.
Any chance of a link mate? I need one for a couple of side projects I'm working on...I normally do everything by hand but I'm at the point where a reflow plate will save me hours of time.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Did I hear right that the Snapmaker UI doesn't come with hardened nozzles?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
here you go: a little fan and you have a chamber heater...
Any chance of a link mate? I need one for a couple of side projects I'm working on...I normally do everything by hand but I'm at the point where a reflow plate will save me hours of time.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Did I hear right that the Snapmaker UI doesn't come with hardened nozzles?
It doesn't come with, but they are available (or will be) for purchase: Hot End for Snapmaker U1
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How the C1 will perform wrt to reaching chamber temps with a larger volume chamber is another discussion altogether, but this is an obvious hurdle that must've addressed.
I agree, the enclosed chamber was one of the major selling points of the C1.
I agree, this will be extremely important for many of us. I almost never print PLA, often print PETG, and increasingly print ASA or similar. At work I'm mostly printing FR PC/ABS in a 65c chamber. This really is a question of where these companies see their customers asking for. Tons of folks are happy with PLA, and have very little need for chamber heat. If, however, you need to print engineering grade filaments, chamber temp is one of the first specs you look at.
I've been printing a lot of ASA and PC. For a "chamber pre-heater" I've been using a hair dryer. Wondering if adding a top over the INDX PTFE tubes would increase the chamber volume enough that the print bed can no longer heat it enough.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Seeing the L version is out. Does that make the core one v1 obsolete?
I am considering selling either my h2d or my core one but cant decide. Leaning towards selling yhe core one as it seems it will be outdated soon.
So much for Prusa upgrade path.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Seeing the L version is out. Does that make the core one v1 obsolete?
I am considering selling either my h2d or my core one but cant decide. Leaning towards selling yhe core one as it seems it will be outdated soon.
So much for Prusa upgrade path.
The L version is the Core One but larger which has a few enhancements. Most notable is the AC powered aluminum bed. I would wait until Feb 18th when FormNext starts. Prusa will have more announcements then.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I think the CoreOne INDX, particularly the kit will have quite a nice place in the market - and could well end up being a big hit.
8 tools vs only 4 on the snapmaker U1.
kit and upgrade options.
Even when BambuLab move on after the H2C to a smaller Vortek X2C it will probably only have 4 nozzles too (although the AMS will partially mitigate this).
Also whilst the only confirmed prusa INDX is the C1L - the INDX teaser picture is clearly a normal size C1.
PS/ a 6 INDX CoreOneMini will also be quite an interesting prospect.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Seeing the L version is out. Does that make the core one v1 obsolete?
I am considering selling either my h2d or my core one but cant decide. Leaning towards selling yhe core one as it seems it will be outdated soon.
So much for Prusa upgrade path.
The Core One L is not a replacement or "next generation" Core One. The two models complement each other and will coexist going forward -- different sizes, different price brackets. Most other 3D printer companies also offer models in those two different ranges in parallel.
Having said that -- if you have the H2D and are happy with its performance, as well as with Bambu Labs and their policies, that is the printer I would keep. It is the more capable (and more expensive) machine vs. the Core One. Its dual extruder advantage may get diminished when the INDX option becomes available for the Core One, but the larger print volume and higher temperature capability will remain.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
PS/ a 6 INDX CoreOneMini will also be quite an interesting prospect.
You mean another CoreXY variant, this time with a smaller build volume? I don't see that happening. As with the Core One vs. Core One L, the reduction in the printer's outer dimensions would be disproportionately small. And the cost savings for making a smaller version will be negligible.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
PS/ a 6 INDX CoreOneMini will also be quite an interesting prospect.
You mean another CoreXY variant, this time with a smaller build volume? I don't see that happening. As with the Core One vs. Core One L, the reduction in the printer's outer dimensions would be disproportionately small. And the cost savings for making a smaller version will be negligible.
Maybe - but I think it would be quite cute - with 50% more tools and that Snapmaker U1, and probably a fair bit smaller.
You can still do quite a lot with a 180 x 180 bed - especially if the case is designed with INDX in mind OOTB - so big enough to accommodate the tools without interfering with the Y dimensions.
Here's what it could look like.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Maybe - but I think it would be quite cute - with 50% more tools and that Snapmaker U1, and probably a fair bit smaller.
You can still do quite a lot with a 180 x 180 bed - especially if the case is designed with INDX in mind OOTB - so big enough to accommodate the tools without interfering with the Y dimensions.
You would still have the same size overhead for mechanics, power supply, motors as in the Core One -- so the depth of the side pockets and the back panel would not change, and neither would the height of the CoreXY mechanism and the printer's base. If the printable area gets reduced from 220*250 to 180*180 mm², the footprint would shrink by the same absolute amounts (40 and 70 mm respectively) -- would that really enable many potential customers to accommodate a Mini version where they don't have room for the regular one?
And, unlike the current Prusa mini vs. MK4S positioning, a Core One mini could not be significantly cheaper than the regular version, I think. It's really the same stuff in there, just slightly shorter rails and lead screws. And for those, Prusa would even lose the economy of scale from using the same parts as in the MK4S and the regular Core One.
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I have one of those; works well, preheat circuit board to 150c or so and makes soldering much easier when your pcb is full of ground/power planes.
Don't know that it'd have the power as a chamber heater though. My usb psu for it is only 60w (or is it 45w... )
Edit: sorry, was meant to be a reply to the post with the mini hotplate link ! https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/postid/769039/
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
With a little fan on the side? It should pretty easy to bump the temp to 65C or help cut the preheat time down significantly...
I have one of those; works well, preheat circuit board to 150c or so and makes soldering much easier when your pcb is full of ground/power planes.
Don't know that it'd have the power as a chamber heater though. My usb psu for it is only 60w (or is it 45w... )
Edit: sorry, was meant to be a reply to the post with the mini hotplate link ! https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/postid/769039/
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am not convinced Prusa will introduce soon INDX upgrade to Core One, for many reasons:
INDX technology carry a lot of challenges and is not mature enough. They publicly iterate on versions, this is not the sign of maturity, more a teaser Prusa would not take the risk of ruininig CoreOne reputation with such early intro. Think about head alignment accuracy, Z repetitive accuracy. Demo shown on Ender was a flat multicolor model, not a full multimaterial . MMU should have done the same pretty easily.
multi-head would have more sense on Core One L because of larger print volume and probably more power ability to drive induction heating along AC powered bed.
Bondtech is probably not ready to give Prusa exclusivity to use INDX, even for a period of time, and Prusa would probably not use a 3rd party disruptive technology that would not give him a real competitive advantage if anyone can use it.
On the business side, this would have more sense if Bondtech was belonging to Prusa. Bondtech business model is more or less same as E3D , who abandoned printer business to concentrate on narrow market segment, condemend to limited business size even if products largely spreaded. This value the company to an affordable level for Prusa.
Price should stay competitive, say 350 Euros for the main gear plus 150 per head. 2 to 3 heads should be ok for majority of use case, say bimaterial plus soluble support. This price should not be reachable with a 3rd party technology that request licence fees.
Prusa is very realistic and pragmatic, everybody can dream!
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am not convinced Prusa will introduce soon INDX upgrade to Core One, for many reasons:
INDX technology carry a lot of challenges and is not mature enough. They publicly iterate on versions, this is not the sign of maturity, more a teaser Prusa would not take the risk of ruininig CoreOne reputation with such early intro. Think about head alignment accuracy, Z repetitive accuracy. Demo shown on Ender was a flat multicolor model, not a full multimaterial . MMU should have done the same pretty easily.
multi-head would have more sense on Core One L because of larger print volume and probably more power ability to drive induction heating along AC powered bed.
Bondtech is probably not ready to give Prusa exclusivity to use INDX, even for a period of time, and Prusa would probably not use a 3rd party disruptive technology that would not give him a real competitive advantage if anyone can use it.
On the business side, this would have more sense if Bondtech was belonging to Prusa. Bondtech business model is more or less same as E3D , who abandoned printer business to concentrate on narrow market segment, condemend to limited business size even if products largely spreaded. This value the company to an affordable level for Prusa.
Price should stay competitive, say 350 Euros for the main gear plus 150 per head. 2 to 3 heads should be ok for majority of use case, say bimaterial plus soluble support. This price should not be reachable with a 3rd party technology that request licence fees.
Prusa is very realistic and pragmatic, everybody can dream!
I think you're wrong here buddy, and it's not just hopium on my part.
The fact is, tool changers are the next big thing in the consumer printing space, there are already aggressively priced options available to pre-order, and that space is going to get extremely competitive in the next 12 months.
Maybe you're right and it's a risk for Prusa, but if they don't take the risk they may well and truly get left behind....what do you think all the buzz and teaser pics regarding C1/INDX/Formnext have been about?