Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
I just tuned the belts on my Core Ones with the belt tuner functionality in the Setting menu of the firmware, and it was super easy and accurate.
So will we be getting this on the XL any time soon? Or ever?
The stock XL may not have the necessary LED lights but the Prusa enclosure has lights.
There dimmable, which usually means they are PWM controlled. but I don't know whrther they can be strobed at 60-100Hz.
It would be nice to see my big expensive multi-material printer that I use the most get the same feature as my cheaper Core Ones.
Of course, if Prusa prefers to put resources on bringing the INDX system to the XL instead of doing this, I'm good with that. 🙂
Why would you fit INDX to an XL? It will be slower than swapping Nextruder tool heads.
Cheerio,
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
At Formnext, Joseph Prusa said they plan to get the swap time for INDX to "definitely below 10" seconds, including 4 seconds to heat the toolhead. He also said (I think) that it will use less material on the priming tower, as seen here in this MadeWithLayers Formnext report .
So an XL with an INDX system might not be much (or at all) slower than the XL, and would give you the advantage of quite a few more colors/materials available at once.
Why would you fit INDX to an XL? It will be slower than swapping Nextruder tool heads.
Cheerio,
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
The only benefit I could possibly see of adding Indx to an XL would be if you had a single tool XL
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
You don't see any benefit from being able to print, say, 10 materials at once instead of just 5, and still with minimal waste?
Well, maybe once INDX is in the field and being reviewed, maybe you'll see a benefit you aren't aware of yet.
The only benefit I could possibly see of adding Indx to an XL would be if you had a single tool XL
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
No I don't.
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
No I don't.
Okay, well, it's settled then, there must be no benefit to having twice as many print heads available.
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
No I don't.
Okay, well, it's settled then, there must be no benefit to having twice as many print heads available.
Or in the reduced maintenance that simplifying the system (by having only a little more than one toolhead worth of active parts) will bring.
An INDX-based version of the 5T XL should cost substantially less than the current version. I'd like to see it, even if it's only 8T or 12T like the C1 and C1L, because too much of what I print is too big for the C1L and piecing things together is inconvenient.
Of course, and INDX-based 400mm-cubed "XLL" would be even better. Anything bigger than that I might have trouble finding a place for on our first floor ... but no that I think about it, I do have a spare bedroom I could put it in. 🙂 (All our printers are in the house, even the resin ones, which we built a fume hood for.)
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
From the perspective of a new printer what your saying makes sense, but that's a new machine, not an XL.
If I already have a 5 tool XL I see no benefit of changing it over to Indx. I don't need to print than 5 materials in a print. I use the different tool heads for different materials, not colors.
Based on that the 5 tool XL is faster and more efficient than converting it to Indx.
The original poster was talking about having Indx for an XL, but that makes no sense for that machine.
Indx for a Core One L makes more sense.
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
From the perspective of a new printer what your saying makes sense, but that's a new machine, not an XL.
If I already have a 5 tool XL I see no benefit of changing it over to Indx. I don't need to print than 5 materials in a print. I use the different tool heads for different materials, not colors.
Based on that the 5 tool XL is faster and more efficient than converting it to Indx.
The original poster was talking about having Indx for an XL, but that makes no sense for that machine.
Indx for a Core One L makes more sense.
I don't think we can say the XL is faster at this point. The INDX system is crazy fast with heating up the nozzle after a change - the target is under 10 seconds IIRC. And as to efficiency, I don't see why the XL would be better there, either.
I use my 5T XL for both multi-material and multi-color prints (and combinations thereof). The current config is four 0.40mm Obxidian heads and one 0.60mm Obxidian head, but if I had 8 heads, I'd probably run 4 of each size instead. That's another area where INDX may improve the XL, nozzle changing, both by reducing the need for it and by making it potentially simpler. Simpler because INDX heats the nozzle by induction, and therefore doesn't need to have the nozzle tightly embedded in a heater block.
Bondtech also claims that the extruder in the active part of the toolhead is better: "Auto-adjusts to filament properties .... Fully mechanical solution — nosensors required ... No manual tuning needed .... Soft TPU to rigid composites." If that's true, being able to reliably print soft TPU would be nice.
Any other company would probably just EOL the XL and produce a new INDX-based successor, but that's not how Prusa has done things in the past. They let me convert my MK4S into a Core One, so whatever they do with INDX in the larger-format space the XL occupies, I expect they'll give me a way to convert my XL to it. And I'll take it, as well as converting at least one of my Core Ones to it. 🙂
there must be no benefit to having twice as many print heads available.
None that I can imagine. The most I have ever needed on my XL is four.
Cheerio,
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
Again, a different printer. And you'll not be able to heat Indx faster.
The XL can heat the nozzle before the change, not after. There's no way around that so yes the changes are faster. We know this, and if you have an XL you should already know that.
Now as far as print speeds that's a different story, but again we're taking about a different printer not an XL.
But if we go back to the original question to me, it was if I see any benefit of this for the XL, and I said no. I stand by that answer. There is no reason to convert this machine. You'd buy a Core One L with Indx.
The XL at almost 5k (after adding enclosure, filtration etc) makes no sense to convert to Indx. Again you'd be better off adding it to a Core One L.
The other unknown that I'll be watching closely with Indx in general is how good the extruder is. From what I've seen it gets rid of the Nextruder, which is one of the best things on Prusa machines imo.
RE: Stroboscopic firmware belt tuner for XL?
But if we go back to the original question to me, it was if I see any benefit of this for the XL, and I said no. I stand by that answer. There is no reason to convert this machine. You'd buy a Core One L with Indx.
The XL at almost 5k (after adding enclosure, filtration etc) makes no sense to convert to Indx. Again you'd be better off adding it to a Core One L.
The C1L has a substantially smaller print volume, at 300x300x330. I have lots of prints I do that use (and are in fact designed to use) almost all of at least one if not two of the XL's 360mm build volume axises, and that would not fit on a C1L build plate, so no, I would not buy a C1L instead of an XL.
Plus I have at XL already, and at $250-350 for the active part of the toolhead and $35 for each passive part (which is what Bondtech is saying), a conversion to INDX could be much cheaper than buying a C1L.