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Thanks for the response, i just got around to checking the store page for the printer, and now it says shipping February, so i suppose this will have more of a wait than i would like. On the other hand, its not like i need the printer right now, and since moai appears to be using replaceable trays instead replaceable fep film, looks like i'm going to join you and the rest on the interesting roller coaster ride that prusa seems to like making their preorder customers go through.

So i just noticed (don't ask me how i missed it the first time) that the printer went up by a hundred bucks! which i was sorta expecting eventually, but since they're still in the "preorder" phase, i wasn't exactly expecting a price change. That sucks. wonder how hard the moai tanks are to mod....

Yeah, I'm actually surprised they took preorder as long as they did. The whole point was to give incentive for early adopters. Time capping and price cutting is where the incentive comes from to do it. They want early adopters to show some enthusiasm 😀 .

There are a couple ways to look into this. I'm taking the optimistic approach that pre-orders have been a success and they have plenty of them to keep them busy for the first shipments. That could explain both the postponement and the end of the pre-order phase pricing. It could also be a sign that they are confident this will be the last postponement for the first shipments. I'm going to ignore the less optimistic possibilities because I like to live in blissful denial 😛 .

As far as the price increase, I wouldn't let that be what stops you. I'm not going to say that it's a small amount of money, but let's be honest... If you're prepared to drop over a grand on a machine, $100 isn't a huge deterrent. I don't know how much of a hurry you are in, but since the pre-order price is no longer an incentive, if I were in your position I might wait for the first reviews before deciding on the moai vs the sl1.

Edit:. Actually, it's interesting that they seem to still be advertising it as a pre-order price, even though it is $100 more than before. That makes me wonder if they will hike the price up even further if you wait longer. That makes the decision a little harder. Looks like the kit bundled with the CurWa is still the original pre-order price, though.

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I'm going to ignore the less optimistic possibilities because I like to live in blissful denial 😛 .

Or you could base your expectations on PR's track record. Some MMU2 customers waited more than 12 months 🙁

Peter

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Seems to be dragging on like usual. Communication could be better about the delay! Ordered on release day and thought 3 months aint bad to wait. 5 months now and counting...

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I'm going to ignore the less optimistic possibilities because I like to live in blissful denial 😛 .

Or you could base your expectations on PR's track record. Some MMU2 customers waited more than 12 months 🙁

Peter

I said I want blissful denial! Why are you trying to take that away from me?! 😡

This is one of several reasons why I advised Leland to manage his expectations.

As it happens, I'm really busy with some renovations, so I don't have much free time at the moment. Even if it shipped when they initially promised, I would probably keep it in a box for a couple months until I have the time to spare. Still, it would be nice to have that box tempting me to shirk my responsibilities.

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So I guess here is my main question for all you printing fanatics out there. What are you hoping to gain by adding an SLA printer to your collection?
I'm being serious here not patronizing just curious what the main objective(s) is(are) of the people who are going to add this to their collection.

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So I guess here is my main question for all you printing fanatics out there. What are you hoping to gain by adding an SLA printer to your collection?
I'm being serious here not patronizing just curious what the main objective(s) is(are) of the people who are going to add this to their collection.

I will be using mine primarily for high detail decorative items (including but not limited to miniatures and electronic project enclosures), wax casting, small part replacement, and prototyping.

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I think the resin detection, and the fume filter is the biggest factor in my purchase decision between the moais and peoppolys out there.

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I'm not convinced that the things printed on the SLA will be able to be used as people seem to think. All the research I've done on the internet suggests that SLA resin printed models are very brittle/fragile compared to FDM printouts, even when IPA wahed and UV cured. I believe that SLA printers are geared towards designers to just get a quick loo at their products and NOT to make the final item...

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I'm not convinced that the things printed on the SLA will be able to be used as people seem to think. All the research I've done on the internet suggests that SLA resin printed models are very brittle/fragile compared to FDM printouts, even when IPA wahed and UV cured. I believe that SLA printers are geared towards designers to just get a quick loo at their products and NOT to make the final item...

Its true that it is overall weaker, however it seems like third party manufacturers are developing tough resins compared to the formlabs resins whom have already reached that pinnacle of SLA printing even injection molding parts. For me however, I just want to print detailed figurines for D&D and super microscale RC vehicles, and rebadge my car

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Its true that it is overall weaker, however it seems like third party manufacturers are developing tough resins compared to the formlabs resins whom have already reached that pinnacle of SLA printing even injection molding parts. For me however, I just want to print detailed figurines for D&D and super microscale RC vehicles, and rebadge my car

From what I've read the life expectancy of a un-washed. un-cured part is 6-8 months and for a washed, cured, painted, and varnished one is 12-18months. UV light (IE sunlight) apparently rapidly degrades the plastic and if shatters easily. Just my opinion though as I've no experience in SLA.

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Its true that it is overall weaker, however it seems like third party manufacturers are developing tough resins compared to the formlabs resins whom have already reached that pinnacle of SLA printing even injection molding parts. For me however, I just want to print detailed figurines for D&D and super microscale RC vehicles, and rebadge my car

From what I've read the life expectancy of a un-washed. un-cured part is 6-8 months and for a washed, cured, painted, and varnished one is 12-18months. UV light (IE sunlight) apparently rapidly degrades the plastic and if shatters easily. Just my opinion though as I've no experience in SLA.

I think you might be confusing uncured part expectancy with resin bottle life. UV light from the sun vs most materials do not last forever and should not be expected to last in such an environment, When fully cured it should be completely inert, especially if vacuum cured. My work office has resin printed figurines printed in 2015 that have not turned to dust with delicate needle like parts. If its functional parts you are looking for, cheap generic resin will not last in high load conditions, and you would have to buy resins in your specific project needs.

Re: Who is jumping on this?

Its true that it is overall weaker, however it seems like third party manufacturers are developing tough resins compared to the formlabs resins whom have already reached that pinnacle of SLA printing even injection molding parts. For me however, I just want to print detailed figurines for D&D and super microscale RC vehicles, and rebadge my car

From what I've read the life expectancy of a un-washed. un-cured part is 6-8 months and for a washed, cured, painted, and varnished one is 12-18months. UV light (IE sunlight) apparently rapidly degrades the plastic and if shatters easily. Just my opinion though as I've no experience in SLA.

I think you might be confusing uncured part expectancy with resin bottle life. UV light from the sun vs most materials do not last forever and should not be expected to last in such an environment, When fully cured it should be completely inert, especially if vacuum cured. My work office has resin printed figurines printed in 2015 that have not turned to dust with delicate needle like parts. If its functional parts you are looking for, cheap generic resin will not last in high load conditions, and you would have to buy resins in your specific project needs.

I bow to your greater experience in this... 🙂

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Totally on board with resin 3D printing. The smaller but super precise things appeals to me.
I have many figurine projects already modeled which will be really hard to execute on my mk3.
Even thought of buying a Form2 but cannot justify spending that much on something that I can't monetize directly.
The Prusa SL1 hits the sweet spot of price/quality and I cannot wait for the tests/bug fixes to be complete and for the reviews. I'm ready to buy it as soon as it is confirmed that it delivers the quality we expect.

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I'm also on board. Pre-ordered mine beginning of October, I knew the timeline for delivery would not be met. I'm just concerned that compared to Photon there might not a huge print quality difference...

I'm patient, I'm used to Prusa not meeting timelines, see I ordered:
- MK2 on 5 dec 2016, received end of jan 2017, a bit less than 2 months (Was not that bad :D)
- Ordered MK2S upgrade and MMU on 10 jun 2017, received on 15 oct 2017 4 months
- Ordered MK3 upgrade and MMU upgrade on 25 dec 2017, received MK3 beginning on Jan 15 days but MMU upgrade mid december 2018, almost a year!
- Ordered SL1 October 2018, received? I'm aiming for beginning of April, probably 6 months
- Received voucher to upgrade MMU2S, applied on 17 feb, let's see how much time it is going to take!

I don't mind, I like the philosophy of the company, they are making the personal 3D printing industry progress, and they prefer to spend a bit more time to make sure the product works, I care about that. (Maybe they did not reach that goal with the MMUs).
A product delivered with a bad quality can kill the company, so they better be careful.

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Super excited. Received my SL1 AND CW1... BUT HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER WORK THURSDAY TO PLAY!

Frustration...
Joan

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Un packed. Configured and ready to roll... too tired after late nights... need sleep... wonder if my brain will switch off...

Fibgers crossed...

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beta or regular order?

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Beta!

Joan

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Ordered! I'm willing to beta! I even have a couple of years of printing experience (FDM)

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Joan Glad to see you have received your sl1, I am Super exited to see your feedback / experience with this new printer. I have mostly been a lurker on these forums and Joan's experience and suggestions to others over the years has helped me with 3d printing questions and problems quite a bit.
Ordered my Sl1 October 5th.