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JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

I have posted to Thingiverse an initial pass at an extruder modification to enable the installation of Slice Engineering's Mosquito hotend. Initial discussion was on MK2s forum as I did not initially know what the first iteration would be.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2995464/files

Video of working model is here:

Jerry.

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 08/07/2018 11:42 pm
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 10/07/2018 3:32 am
nathan.r9
(@nathan-r9)
Eminent Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

This is sweet! Sorry for being a noob, but do you know if this will effect the usage of the mmu2. Also is it plug and play or do you need to change firmware/gcode?

Posted : 10/07/2018 4:00 pm
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3


This is sweet! Sorry for being a noob, but do you know if this will effect the usage of the mmu2. Also is it plug and play or do you need to change firmware/gcode?

No update to firmware/gcode required. The extruder body/cover are derived from the original Prusa scad files so the x/y positioning of the nozzle and pinda are relatively and actually the same as stock. The electronics, the thermistor and heater cartridge, are also the same.

It prints fine as-is but, that being said, the slicer config can/should probably be tweeked for the Mosquito characteristics. It is on my list 😀

I have a mount for the MMUv1 I am about to publish. I have the MMUv2 upgrade on order and will test after it arrives. From what I see, it 'looks' like the lower part of the extruder housing is the same as the MK3 so it should work. The only mod I see is to the top filament feed. I just do not see any posted scad/stl files to compare yet.

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 10/07/2018 5:24 pm
nathan.r9
(@nathan-r9)
Eminent Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3



This is sweet! Sorry for being a noob, but do you know if this will effect the usage of the mmu2. Also is it plug and play or do you need to change firmware/gcode?

No update to firmware/gcode required. The extruder body/cover are derived from the original Prusa scad files so the x/y positioning of the nozzle and pinda are relatively and actually the same as stock. The electronics, the thermistor and heater cartridge, are also the same.

It prints fine as-is but, that being said, the slicer config can/should probably be tweeked for the Mosquito characteristics. It is on my list 😀

I have a mount for the MMUv1 I am about to publish. I have the MMUv2 upgrade on order and will test after it arrives. From what I see, it 'looks' like the lower part of the extruder housing is the same as the MK3 so it should work. The only mod I see is to the top filament feed. I just do not see any posted scad/stl files to compare yet.

Sweet. I dont know why but im super interested in this hotend. Other than the companies web site, where can I find more info about this? Preferably pro/cons? I really like being able to see the hotend and the craft went into making it. Also does your mount work with the magnum version?

EDIT: I googled around. Better heat transfer and retraction. So I guess my question comes down to... how is your experience? Is it an upgrade? What made you get one?

EDIT2: I searched your past posted and have seen your reasoning on why you are trying this hotend. Seems really cool. Do you know if the mk3 will have any issues getting to the maximum temps the mosquito can get to (other than firmware)?

Posted : 10/07/2018 8:40 pm
dimprov
(@dimprov)
Noble Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

How does the mosquito compare to a copper Volcano?

Posted : 13/07/2018 2:58 am
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3


How does the mosquito compare to a copper Volcano?

I have no personal experience with the Volcano other than its specs. So I posed your question to the engineers at Slice with the presumption that the basic Mosquito is maybe going in the opposite direction but that their Mosquito Magnum is more comparable. Their response:

Hey Jerry!

The standard Mosquito that you have is indeed going the other direction - more for quality and resolution than high flow rates.

However, we also have a high flow version of the Mosquito, the Magnum. It's the same size, and uses the same nozzles, but has a longer melt zone than the standard Mosquito. In our Magnum testing so far, we've been able to get about 20% higher flow rates than the Volcano. Additionally, we're not seeing the same drop in resolution that you get going from a V6 to a Volcano - the Magnum design still preserves the quality aspect that we're going for.

We're working on getting our data formatted into a white paper that will come out, hopefully, in the next couple weeks.

Dan

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 13/07/2018 4:29 pm
MTJC
 MTJC
(@mtjc)
Trusted Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3



How does the mosquito compare to a copper Volcano?

I have no personal experience with the Volcano other than its specs. So I posed your question to the engineers at Slice with the presumption that the basic Mosquito is maybe going in the opposite direction but that their Mosquito Magnum is more comparable. Their response:

Hey Jerry!

The standard Mosquito that you have is indeed going the other direction - more for quality and resolution than high flow rates.

However, we also have a high flow version of the Mosquito, the Magnum. It's the same size, and uses the same nozzles, but has a longer melt zone than the standard Mosquito. In our Magnum testing so far, we've been able to get about 20% higher flow rates than the Volcano. Additionally, we're not seeing the same drop in resolution that you get going from a V6 to a Volcano - the Magnum design still preserves the quality aspect that we're going for.

We're working on getting our data formatted into a white paper that will come out, hopefully, in the next couple weeks.

Dan


That sounds like they’re saying it’s good for peeps who want both high flow rate capacity and precision which is great for those that want both without need to compromise nor switch between v6 and volcano on jobs. This interests me a lot.

Posted : 02/08/2018 12:20 am
thrawn86
(@thrawn86)
Honorable Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

really slick. looks very sturdy and i like the cable orientation. that heatsink seems oddly tiny

150$ may be a bit steep for some.

Posted : 02/08/2018 7:52 am
Onu_Heino
(@onu_heino)
New Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

Hi,

which heating cartridge and heatsink fan you used? 24V? isnt prusa's stock fan 5V?

Posted : 06/04/2019 4:03 pm
randolph.l
(@randolph-l)
Honorable Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3


I have posted to Thingiverse an initial pass at an extruder modification to enable the installation of Slice Engineering's Mosquito hotend. Initial discussion was on MK2s forum as I did not initially know what the first iteration would be.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2995464/files

Video of working model is here:

Jerry.

now that you have some miles on this Mosquito hot end extruder modification what is your curent take on its development given the MK3s update to the printer architecture.

Posted : 07/04/2019 3:37 am
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3


Hi,

which heating cartridge and heatsink fan you used? 24V? isnt prusa's stock fan 5V?

I use the stock Prusa provided cartridge and thermistor as well as the stock 40mm fan on my MK3s/MMU2 and MK2.5s/MMU2. Simply because it is more quiet compared to the Mosquito provided 25mm fan and I print PETG without an enclousure so silence is golden. When you order the Mosquito you can specify the voltage of their fan based on whether you have a MK3/2.5/2 and/or their 's' derivatives. Unless you are looking to print at higher temps then the stock E3DV6 heater cartridges and therimstors work fine.

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 07/04/2019 8:07 am
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3



I have posted to Thingiverse an initial pass at an extruder modification to enable the installation of Slice Engineering's Mosquito hotend. Initial discussion was on MK2s forum as I did not initially know what the first iteration would be.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2995464/files

Video of working model is here:

Jerry.

now that you have some miles on this Mosquito hot end extruder modification what is your curent take on its development given the MK3s update to the printer architecture.

I have posted extruder updates for the 's' enhancements for MK3s & MK2.5s to Thingiverse. I continue to use the Mosquito exclusively so it is hard for me to compare to the E3DV6 as I have no extruder with that setup anymore. I like the fact that it is truly an "all-metal" hotend, unlike the E3D which has a PTFE part, and it is locked in place, non-rotating, making cleaning and changing nozzles a breeze and the wires flow straight back with no kinks.

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 07/04/2019 8:21 am
phil.d4
(@phil-d4)
Active Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

Hello all, Has anyone integrated a Bondtech extruder/Mosquito hotend combo onto the mk3? I haven't seen it discussed yet (maybe I missed it, pls forgive), but was wondering what would it take as far as any add'l hardware mods and/or firmware changes to do so.

Thanks for any comments....
Phil D.

Posted : 08/04/2019 8:34 pm
Zach
 Zach
(@zach-3)
Eminent Member
Re: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3


Hello all, Has anyone integrated a Bondtech extruder/Mosquito hotend combo onto the mk3? I haven't seen it discussed yet (maybe I missed it, pls forgive), but was wondering what would it take as far as any add'l hardware mods and/or firmware changes to do so.

Thanks for any comments....
Phil D.

I haven't seen any Prusa/Bondtech/Mosquito bodies.

In my opinion a geared bondtech extruder with a the Martin_au filament sensor mod, Butterworth Design aligned extruder mod, and mosquito hotend would be the pinnacle of MK3 capability.

Bondtech Geared extruder means less ghosting and more extrusion precision.
Martin_au sensor mod would provide 100% sensor-filament compatibility with the stock sensor.
Butterworth Design aligned extruder would result in the best flexible and PETG filament printing.
Mosquito hotend is ready for 300+C prints and the one tool nozzle change is pretty slick too.

Posted : 09/04/2019 9:33 pm
gorillamotors
(@gorillamotors)
Trusted Member
RE: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3
Posted by: phil.d4

Hello all, Has anyone integrated a Bondtech extruder/Mosquito hotend combo onto the mk3? I haven't seen it discussed yet (maybe I missed it, pls forgive), but was wondering what would it take as far as any add'l hardware mods and/or firmware changes to do so.

Thanks for any comments....
Phil D.

+1 on the Bondtech extruder/Mosquito hotend combo for the mk3. I just ordered one (Bondtech extruder/Mosquito magnum hotend ) and will have to come up with something on my own. I hope someone beats me to it.

Jim

This post was modified 4 years ago by gorillamotors
Posted : 06/05/2019 3:59 pm
Bunny Science
(@bunny-science)
Noble Member
RE: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

I added another choice for the Mosquito....

Both of my geared "short ears" extruders for MK3 and MK3S now have a Mosquito kit option

For MK3 https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3606189

For MK3S https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3626993

Their Mosquito kit https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3651160

 

Posted : 26/05/2019 1:00 pm
Chocki
(@chocki)
Prominent Member
RE: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

The more I read about this mosquito, the more I wan't one.

Have been looking at rebuilding my hot end for higher temperature printing, so nickel plated copper block, PT100, amp etc etc, torn between standard V6 or magnum and the Mosquito Magnum seems to fit the bill perfectly, maybe better!.

Can use standard e3d nozzles, so no need to buy new nozzles, uses a thermistor so no need for amplifier board, can print ultem/pei/peek in a heated chamber without additional heatbreak cooling!!!. Where's the catch so far?.

Only question I have?, is there any advantage the mosquito may have over the mosquito magnum?.

I would have to print and build Guy's extruder though as currently I use a skelestruder.

Normal people believe that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

Posted : 04/06/2019 6:32 pm
PRGeno
(@prgeno)
Active Member
RE: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3
Posted by: chocki

The more I read about this mosquito, the more I wan't one.

Have been looking at rebuilding my hot end for higher temperature printing, so nickel plated copper block, PT100, amp etc etc, torn between standard V6 or magnum and the Mosquito Magnum seems to fit the bill perfectly, maybe better!.

Can use standard e3d nozzles, so no need to buy new nozzles, uses a thermistor so no need for amplifier board, can print ultem/pei/peek in a heated chamber without additional heatbreak cooling!!!. Where's the catch so far?.

Only question I have?, is there any advantage the mosquito may have over the mosquito magnum?.

I would have to print and build Guy's extruder though as currently I use a skelestruder.

 

This is what I got back straight from the source

 

Hello Paul,

 
Thanks for your interest in our hotends. The only downside to the Mosquito Magnum as compared to the standard Mosquito is that you will experience some loss of resolution when printing with small nozzles (orifice diameter<0.4 mm). If you like to be able to push out some serious plastic while maintaining light weight and small form factor, you can't go wrong with the Magnum.
Stay zesty,
 
Dan
 
Daniel Barousse

Co-founder
This post was modified 3 years ago by PRGeno
Posted : 04/06/2019 7:54 pm
Chocki
(@chocki)
Prominent Member
RE: Mosquito Hotend Extruder for MK3

Thanks Paul,

So basically if I print small and detailed, stick with the standard mosquito, which WILL also print larger, just not as fast as a magnum can.

If I routinely print large with nozzle sizes 0.4 and above, then the speed increase will be a real benefit.

 

Normal people believe that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

Posted : 04/06/2019 8:15 pm
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