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George
(@george-8)
Eminent Member
Extruder clogged [newbie]

Hi all, 

So I have been printing some PETG (from prusa / not prusament) I printed almost 80% of the spool. Then, after a failed "ultradetail" (0.05 layer) print, I got the extruder stepper making noise, everything seems ok from the bowden gear idler, but the filament is completely stuck not event heating at 285 I get to pull-push the filament. I pulled out and back the nozzle but nothing really changed... I guess the next step might be to pull out the PTFE tube? but then again, all the instructions I see start with "unload the filament" but I cannot.

any help will be highly appreciated!

P.S. bonus question, it seems that the heatbreaker for/from prusa is specific, and that it might clog more than original E3D design but they made it this way to allow for a better auto filament change for MMU. Do you think changing stock heatbreaker for E3D one will be an improvement? 

 

MK3 updated to MK3S / mainly textured steel sheet (also have a smooth one) / PLA and PETG

Posted : 04/02/2020 12:27 pm
George
(@george-8)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Extruder clogged [newbie]

Some news... I disassembled everything (and I broke the heat cartridge wires...) The clog seems to be on the ptfe tube. The filament doesn't ove inside I cannot take it out.

My current hypothesis is that the filament was too thick? At the entry of the ptfe tube I measure 1.86mm...

Anyhow, two questions still remain:

1) With no project of MMU, will replacing the prusa heat break for the original E3D design be an improvement?

2) how can I clean my current nozzle and heat break? (They have PETG inside) should I heat them at 285C? Lets say with a hot air blower? A clothes iron? A soldering iron? An oven?

MK3 updated to MK3S / mainly textured steel sheet (also have a smooth one) / PLA and PETG

Posted : 04/02/2020 9:30 pm
bobstro
(@bobstro)
Illustrious Member
RE: Extruder clogged [newbie]

I replaced the Prusa heatbreak with an E3D titanium version. It's working well, but I never had problems with the older Prusa version either.

If you get another jam, try this:

  • Raise Z to max.
  • Heat nozzle to 285C.
  • Remove any loaded filament. 
  • Open the extruder door.
  • Remove any filament stuck in the PTFE tube if you can using needle-nose pliers. If filament is stuck in the PTFE, proceed.
  • Insert a 1.5mm rod ideally about 15cm long into the top of the extruder assembly, down past the Bondtech gear and into the PTFE tube. See if you can gently push down the stuck filament to get it to extrude. Don't push too hard, and brace the extruder assembly with your free hand to avoid any twisting.
  • If you can't force the filament out from the top, remove the fan shroud and nozzle, clear out the hotend (some stranded wire works) and try poking the rod up from below to see if you can get the filament to poke up out of the PTFE tube below the Bondtech gears far enough to be removed with needle-nose pliers.

If you don't have a suitable rod, check at hobby stores for brass rods. Your hex wrench can be used in a pinch, but it's not very long. I've got some pics of the process here. I'm using a Mk3 (pre S) so my extruder looks a little different in the pics.

Once you get the clog out, try some cold pulls to clean out the hotend and nozzle. Notes on cold pulls here.

 

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Posted : 04/02/2020 9:45 pm
George
(@george-8)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Extruder clogged [newbie]

Hi @bobstro thank you for your answer. 

That's basically what I tried, but nothin worked.... Even now, as in my previous picture, I cannot get the filament out of the PTFE tube.

About the E3D "mod" after changing the heat break you still use the same prusa (or prusa length) of PTFE tube??

MK3 updated to MK3S / mainly textured steel sheet (also have a smooth one) / PLA and PETG

Posted : 04/02/2020 9:51 pm
bobstro
(@bobstro)
Illustrious Member
RE: Extruder clogged [newbie]

I used the same PTFE and heatsink. 

One note: if you're pressing upwards from below at heat, be sure to let the rod heat up to soften the filament. May not work, but it helped me more than once.

My notes and disclaimers on 3D printing

and miscellaneous other tech projects
He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan

Posted : 04/02/2020 11:48 pm
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