BED THERMAL RUNAWAY - How to recover, how to fix?
I was two hours into a four hour print and the print just stopped with the error message "BED THERMAL RUNAWAY". The temperature shown was way too high, and I watched it slowly dropped down to around 30 degrees centigrade, although the bed never seemed excessively hot to the touch. But then nothing happened. I figured there would be a RESUME option but there isn't. Has it simply aborted the print completely?
Should I turn the machine off and back on again? Is there any way to resume the print? Do I just have to throw this print away and start again?
I searched around for "BED THERMAL RUNAWAY" and most advise looking for a loose connection or broken wires but I really have no idea specifically what parts and where on the machine they're referring to. Perhaps people with years of experience with printers and electronics in general can understand the very short answers, but that's not me. Some diagram or photo would really help to show me what I should be looking for to fix this. How, really, do I proceed at this point? How do I diagnose the cause? Do I just try again and see if it works?
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NO RESPONSES?? This is a serious problem. It has now happened TWICE. How do I fix it???
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Commenting so I can follow...
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UPDATE
I ran the same print again. It started off just fine. The bed temp started at 215 degrees for the first layer then went to 210 for all subsequent layers, just as expected. The print head temp was 60 degrees. After about a half hour of printing I noticed that the head temp fluctuated a bit, from the normal 60all the way don to 49, but then it got back to 60 ad stayed there for a while. But THEN, the head temp plummeted, over about a minute's time, to 38 degrees, and that triggered the BED THERMAL RUNAWAY message and the print aborted.
Both of the print head fans were on the entire time, and even stayed on after the print aborted, A few minutes after the abort the fan on the left side of the print head shut down, but the fan on the front (the one's that at a 45 degree angle) never stopped running.
So, first of all, this is clearly NOT a BED THERMAL RUNAWAY. I had previously checked out, as best I could, the temp sensor and cabling on the BED and that all looked fine. The problem is with the PRINT HEAD. It also appears NOT to be a problem with the temperature sensor on the print head, either it not working or there being some break in it's wires. MAYBE the print head HEATER is failing. But how do I diagnose and fix THAT?
I need a solution to this problem right now. I've successfully printed out six of these objects and need 30 more to complete my project.
I also see that the print is not very good. The front of this object should be nice and smooth, as it has been with numerous other prints for this same object and the same print settings. But you can see that there are horizontal ridges across the front surface. I have no idea if this is related to the HEAT problem, but maybe...
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UPDATE to the UPDATE
I had been watching the temperatures on the PRUSA's display, which looks like this pic. There are icons to the left of the temp readouts. The upper one looks to me like a thermometer. The lower one looks to me like it's indicating the letter H, which I took to mean the print Head, leaving the other one to indicate the print Bed. But apparently the upper one is intended to LOOK LIKE the print HEAD and the lower one to LOOK LIKE the print BED.
I could still really use some advice.
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@rogerinhawaii
Did you try starting a chat session from their website? They are pretty responsive. Might take 20 minutes but they seem to get to you.
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@rogerinhawaii
BAD THERMAL RUNAWAY indicates in most cases a broken bed-thermistor wire, not nozzle-thermistor wire. Manually heat the bed to 60degrees and repeatedly move the y-axis back and forth. If the thermistor cable has a loose contact, you can observe the temperature fluctuations on the LCD display. You may have to replace the thermistor cable including the thermistor.
Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.
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@karl-herbert
I tried what you suggested. I repeatedly moved the bed back and forth, slowly, quickly, intermittently, and no effect on the temperature readout. I even jiggled the cable that connects the bed to the control board a bunch. Nothing. The readout stays rock solid at 60 degrees.
I tried another long print and about four hours into the print I get the THERMAL error again.
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I did three half-hour prints in a row, keeping a close eye on the printer. The first two went fine. The last one almost didn't finish. There is a small red LED that's on whenever the bed is being actively heated. It's usually blinking on/off quite consistently, indicating to me that it's really trying hard to keep it right at the 60 degree mark. At one point I noticed that the temperature was going down, from 60 to 59, to 58, etc. More importantly I noticed that the red LED was completely off. It got all the way down to 50, with the LED still off. But it then was finished with the print.
I sure hope this works.
I've also ordered a replacement thermistor from PRUSA in case it finally appears that the thermistor itself has one (intermittently) bad.
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BY THE WAY... I tried to upload an image to include with this posting and kept getting an HTTP error reported. I tried a bunch of different images to upload and none of them succeeded, all reporting that HHTP error. It seems that there's something wrong with the website today.
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I suggest you find that step in the manual where it has you tighten those and put a comment on the webpage so that other people that follow behind you can learn from this. Glad to hear you solved your problem.
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I suggest you find that step in the manual where it has you tighten those and put a comment on the webpage so that other people that follow behind you can learn from this. Glad to hear you solved your problem.
Good idea. I just did that.
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@rogerinhawaii
Thanks for the feedback. Since a relatively high current of about 6A flows over this connection, I would pay attention to clean and well fixed contacts.
Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.
RE: BED THERMAL RUNAWAY - How to recover, how to fix?
@rogerinhawaii
I wonder if the comment has to be approved before it is posted. I just checked 7. Heatbed & PSU assembly (Silver PSU)-Step 4 and didn't see it yet.
https://help.prusa3d.com/en/guide/7-heatbed-psu-assembly-silver-psu_33512
Nevermind... I see the comment on the Black PSU step 4. https://help.prusa3d.com/en/guide/7-heatbed-psu-assembly-black-psu_31936