RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
@t_guttata Were you able to resolve the X1C artifact issue you were having yesterday (the issue illustrated in the photo that you posted)?
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I've read that the AMS has desiccant in it, but does it truly do a good enough job of keeping the filaments dry if the spools sit there for a long time between prints? I do like the idea of having filaments all queued up and ready to go, and I especially like the idea of being able to perhaps switch automatically from one roll to another of the same color/type if one roll runs out mid-print. Seems doable. Is that functionality implemented yet?
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No, I did not resolve the issues I had with my PETG print. I could try another layer height. But to be honest, this should not occur at any layer height. It must be a slicer issue. I have to get used to it, as before I was using Cura for years.
I don't know if change to a different spool of the same color is implemented yet. If not, it will be an easy task for Bambulab.
The functionality of the SW seems to be quite limited at that time. While the basic functions are there, I see huge potential for improvements. For example: after every print, the spool is unloaded automatically so you can directly change the spool if you like. I find that annoying. I don't see why you should unload a spool if you don't know yet what color you will print next. I hope that Bambulab will add a checkbox later so the user can choose.
So far, the only thing which really is annoying are the fans. There seem to be 4 fans. 3 can be controlled via SW (Part, Aux, Chamber). One seems to be the mainboard fan which can not be controlled. All fans are extremely noisy! I really can't understand why it is do difficult to use quiet fans! I mean this is not only a Bambulab issue. There seem to be many electronic devices from china which use crappy fans! At some point I will definitely exchange the fans.
Regarding the tightness of the AMS: it is completely sealed. While I have not tested if you can dry the spools inside, I would expect that the spools stay dry inside the box, if you properly close the box.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
@t_guttata Not sure whether or not it would help, but I'll offer that if you post the .stl file, I could try printing it and see whether or not I witness the same artifacts as you are experiencing.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I've read that the AMS has desiccant in it, but does it truly do a good enough job of keeping the filaments dry if the spools sit there for a long time between prints? I do like the idea of having filaments all queued up and ready to go, and I especially like the idea of being able to perhaps switch automatically from one roll to another of the same color/type if one roll runs out mid-print. Seems doable. Is that functionality implemented yet?
The box is pretty well sealed so shouldn't have too many humidity issues.
As for switching, provided you've got two of the same type of filament it does support auto switching once a filament runs out. They rolled out support for it a couple of firmware versions back.
Proud owner of an original Prusa Mendel i2, original wooden frame i3 and now a mini+
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
Thanks for your offer. The part is here:
As I said, no issues when printing on my ancient ultimaker original with glass plate. The artefacts are visible with PLA and PETG, but much less pronounced.
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@t_guttata
Because of symmetry, I stopped the print after printing about a third of it, but I'm not seeing much if any of the same artifacting that you did. A little bit of stringing, and some kind of droop near one bottom layer, but well below the holes. Sorry, I guess white PETG may not be the easiest thing to photograph, but it's all I had without opening a new roll. I printed it in Extra-draft mode. AFAIK, all the print settings are generic PETG.
Anyway, hope that helps!
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
Ok thanks. What firmware version are you using?
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
The latest.
Ok thanks. What firmware version are you using?
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
Guys, this has been an interesting thread comparing pros and cons of the Bambulab and Prusa printers. But using it to troubleshoot X1C issues is perhaps not the best use of this forum as I assume most readers don't have a Bambulab printer. Maybe you can move it to DM?
Formerly known on this forum as @fuchsr -- until all hell broke loose with the forum software...
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
@t_guttata About the only thing non-standard in my setup is that I have the X1C sitting on top of two 80 pound pavers, though frankly I don't know that they even make any difference. Used white Sunlu PETG from amazon.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
OK, sure. I think we're done anyway.
Guys, this has been an interesting thread comparing pros and cons of the Bambulab and Prusa printers. But using it to troubleshoot X1C issues is perhaps not the best use of this forum as I assume most readers don't have a Bambulab printer. Maybe you can move it to DM?
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
Sharing experience made with the X1CC is still somehow related to the topic. We had way more off topic discussion previously, ranging from 3rd world to conspiracy^^
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I don't think this can be the reason. But I'm anyway thinking of building my own substructure from wood. Off course nothing standard, but a hollow structure which I can fill with 50kg silica sand!
The bambulab on my desk is shaking too much and I think noise level is also higher because of that.
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So far, the only thing which really is annoying are the fans. There seem to be 4 fans. 3 can be controlled via SW (Part, Aux, Chamber). One seems to be the mainboard fan which can not be controlled. All fans are extremely noisy! I really can't understand why it is do difficult to use quiet fans! I mean this is not only a Bambulab issue. There seem to be many electronic devices from china which use crappy fans!
Agreed! I think this is a fair criticism of the current build. If my X1C wasn't in the garage, it would really annoy me. Presently I remotely shut it 100% off after printing and cool-down with an Emporia smart plug.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I was hoping for soluble supports, almost as a given. I was wanting more, needing more, I want to be able to print combinations of ABS, PETG, TPU and so on. I did just watch a video last night on the Bambu, it mentioned that you could print TPU but not via their AMS, apparently it had to be rerouted in some way. I know they still have some issues to work out, but they appear to be actively doing so. I will say this, if the XL can do real multi material printing without to much hassle I'll be there. the only true and consistent multi material prints I've seen have come from duel extruder printers.
@rd Good question. I've read it can use soluble support filament in conjunction with PLA. Were you wanting to do more than that? I imagine Prusa XL could, at least in theory, print using arbitrary combinations of filament, where each filament gets its own separate print head.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I feel I'm spending a dangerous amount of time on the Bambulab web site...
Someone with an Bambulab printer, can you educate me on the different sheet types? Looks like most of them require the barbaric act of applying glue stick, with the dual sided textured sheet being the exception. How does that one compare to the Prusa satin sheet and textured sheet? I admit I'm spoiled by the satin sheet and have a hard time seeing myself go back to glue stick.
Formerly known on this forum as @fuchsr -- until all hell broke loose with the forum software...
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
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If I may please ask: aside from soluble support, what would be some examples of compelling prints that would need to combine different types of print filaments onto the same print? I mean, I can imagine how TPU could easily fit into such a mix (to, for instance, print a tire around a wheel in a single print process), but beyond TPU... what? I suppose you could maybe print carbon fiber stiffeners inside a bigger print.... What else? Are there obvious huge wins just waiting to be harvested, or would it be more for exploratory discovery and experimentation at this point in time?
I was hoping for soluble supports, almost as a given. I was wanting more, needing more, I want to be able to print combinations of ABS, PETG, TPU and so on. I did just watch a video last night on the Bambu, it mentioned that you could print TPU but not via their AMS, apparently it had to be rerouted in some way. I know they still have some issues to work out, but they appear to be actively doing so. I will say this, if the XL can do real multi material printing without to much hassle I'll be there. the only true and consistent multi material prints I've seen have come from duel extruder printers.
@rd Good question. I've read it can use soluble support filament in conjunction with PLA. Were you wanting to do more than that? I imagine Prusa XL could, at least in theory, print using arbitrary combinations of filament, where each filament gets its own separate print head.
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Bambu Smooth PEI is essentially the same as Prusa smooth PEI. With either one, there's some risk of PETG sticking too well and tearing out a chunk unless you use windex, talc, gluestick, forehead grease, or whatever as a release agent between the two. Likewise, Bambu textured PEI is essentially the same, maybe even better, as Prusa textured PEI. The Bambu stickers are easily removed, unlike Prusa (well, maybe I'm dating myself here, but the last time I tried to remove a Prusa sticker it was next to impossible without invoking toxic stripping agents). There is no Bambulab satin plate. Some people claim they can print PETG on the engineering plate, which has no PEI at all, without glue stick and have no problems. I haven't tried that, but I have printed PETG on the engineering plate with glue stick, and that works fine. If you wash off the gluestick with hot water, the engineering plate returns to as good as new. Wham Bam has a PEX plate for the bambulab. I imagine others are in the pipeline.
For all the details, look at the different build plates in the bambulab store. Included in the descriptions are tables which indicate what can be printed on them and whether or not gluestick is recommended or not.
I feel I'm spending a dangerous amount of time on the Bambulab web site...
Someone with an Bambulab printer, can you educate me on the different sheet types? Looks like most of them require the barbaric act of applying glue stick, with the dual sided textured sheet being the exception. How does that one compare to the Prusa satin sheet and textured sheet? I admit I'm spoiled by the satin sheet and have a hard time seeing myself go back to glue stick.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
@rd If you absolutely are chomping at the bit, you could always buy an E3D Toolchanger motion system and get started right away. That has been out for more than three years already.