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@fuchsr Well a funny thing happened on the way to Vanuatu! We were headed there to run medical teams to the very remote out islands. But Covid shut the door on a stopover in eastern Guatemala. We found a need and found a way to help. Now 60 arms and counting. Just expanded capabilities with a 3D scanner for difficult shaped hand disabilities. The need has turned out much, much bigger than we ever expected. Just getting started in some ways. We are on the Rio Dulce. Sort of in the edge of the jungle, on the river outside of a very small town. No road where we are docked. I happen to love being away from crowds. Now I've gone from being the Loco Gringo to "Our" Loco Gringo with the locals. A nearly full time retirement job with no money but the best pay in the world. One of the local leaders joked if I try to leave I will be turned back at the end of the river. I figure that's a great compliment.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
This is a false choice. You can always run slower if you want to. Nothing says you have to run at maximum speed all the time. You can easily reduce the print speed in Bambu Slicer, which is a fork of Prusa slicer.
Presently the biggest niggle about the BambuLab printer is that in order to easily get all of the features, you have to print through the cloud. I've had no trouble doing that, but lately there have allegedly been some cloud availability issues that have, allegedly, blocked some people from starting their prints, forcing them to wait until cloud access is restored. Like I say, this has never happened to me, so from my perspective it's a rare event, if it happens at all. During such times you can print to an SD card or use a local "LAN only" mode, but some features, like video access, may not be enabled in those modes. To be fair, it's a new machine, and I believe the BambuLab developers are aware of the issue and working toward providing better non-cloud alternatives. Consequently, it may take some time to resolve to everyone's satisfaction. That said, for somebody who is sitting in a jungle with God knows what internet access and who is wanting to justify why a BambuLab printer is not for him, then, yup, maybe it's not for you at this time if you're wanting all the goodies.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
That said, if I were sitting in a jungle near Guatamala and Honduras, I'd be more worried about getting Denge Fever, Malaria, or getting kidnapped than I would about whether or not I had LAN access to the camera built into a 3D printer. More than likely I'd be sitting next to the 3D printer anyway.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I assume that in LAN mode, any printing you really needed would be available; and it wouldn't affect the quality of the final model. No video access would be acceptable to me.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said that, as I don't mean to drag this thread off track, but the option to delete the post had already timed out.
That said, if I were sitting in a jungle near Guatamala and Honduras, I'd be more worried about getting Denge Fever, Malaria, or getting kidnapped than I would about whether or not I had LAN access to the camera built into a 3D printer. More than likely I'd be sitting next to the 3D printer anyway.
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From what I've just recently read on the BambuLab forum, currently the only downgrade in functionality in "LAN-only" mode is the lack of video access over LAN.
I assume that in LAN mode, any printing you really needed would be available; and it wouldn't affect the quality of the final model. No video access would be acceptable to me.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
That's hilarious. Seriously. Several points. If I listen to the must have the latest and geatest people I will spend what for our budget is a considerable amout of money. The shipping and import duties will tack on an additional 50%. In return I will have a printer just a bit too small to do what I need, whose speeds I'll never use. Hmm....sorry, very bad business decision. As I say, this is not a hobby and money has to stretch to meet a huge need. The print quality is already fine for printing prosthetic parts. So, for the price of over 150 prosthetic arms I could have made I will gain what? A touch screen? Capabilities I neither need nor will use?
My purpose of even entering into this conversation was to try and get people to see that not everyones needs are the same and choices are more wisely made on needs not what's the latest, greatest wowee tech. I used to build and restore wooden boats professionally. My tools ranged from over 100 years old to CNC based routers. Each had something it did better than others. If it was in my shop there was a reason. Printers are no different. I get it if it's a hobby and your priorities are just cool stuff to play with but please don't assume that it should apply to everyone because that simply is not the case.
As for your impression of what life is like here, well, hopefully it keeps plenty of gringos away! There's already enough here to start being a problem as they drag their old way of life into what is actually a great place that they should leave alone and let the locals fix their own way. Where we are has much lower crime than most of the USA unless you involve yourself in illegal activities. The health system if you have a little money is better to be a patient in than anything I saw in the USA. The people are friendlier if you adapt to their ways. Don't know of anyone who has got malaria. A few dengue but that is in the USA now. The biggest crime on an innocent person in the last two years here has been one case of pickpocketing. My wife can walk anywhere in our little town night or day. If she was having trouble strangers would pitch in to help.
Try something radical like helping improve the world someone else might try it after watching you, just don't try to replicate the mess that the first world has created!!!
But yes, be afraid! Stay away! Never leave home!!!
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
OK, great, let's let that be the last word. May we please get back to the topic of this thread?
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I absolutely love my mini+ but today I had a situation which highlighted the issue for me perfectly. My P1P was in the middle of printing out a new 'poop bucket' for my X1CC which is arriving next week. It's close to the size of the entire build volume so takes a while even on a Bambu.
I needed to print out a replacement part for a friend, ran it through prusa slicer and it was going to be 4 hours. It was actually quicker for me to wait for the P1P to be done, and then print it from that than it would be for it to print on the mini.
I really, really want Bambu's impressive domination of the market to give Prusa a real kick up the rear to come out with an amazing new competitor. Not another MKx based on the i3, nor the XL as I dont see the former being fast enough, or the latter being in the correct price point. I just hope its not too late as right now other than brand loyalty or the known quantity of longevity for print farms there doesn't seem to be much reason to buy a new Prusa printer.
Proud owner of an original Prusa Mendel i2, original wooden frame i3 and now a mini+
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Yes!
I just printed my first benchy with the X1CC.
First impression:
-blazing fast
-very good print quality
-extremly noisy (resonance, and "nozzle cleaning").
-It's not the kind of printer you want on your desk. I'm thinking about building a special bed, maybe 1m above ground, which I can fill with sand to dampen the vibrations and noise. When you do the frequency sweep, they should actually place a warning (high noise). If you do this test late in the evening, you will have your neighbours knocking on the door!
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
^^^
As you are the Original Poster, did you end up ordering both? Yes, the Prusa doesn't do a resonance test, so in that respect, it is quieter. The BambuLab does a lot more resonance testing when specifically tasked with calibrating, but it does still do a lesser amount as part of the preamble to each print. The latter does seem like overkill, though, and whether smaller calibrations prior to each print are truly needed or not... I can't really say. Seems like in an ideal world it should maybe remember from one print to the next unless you've made some change to the physical setup.
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Presently the biggest niggle about the BambuLab printer is that in order to easily get all of the features, you have to print through the cloud.
That would be a no-go for me. At the point of forcing me to use some online service in order to use a piece of hardware I have purchased, I am no longer interested.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I understand. You're not alone in that. It's something that should be understood up front rather than discovered after the fact. I highlighted it for that reason, because it isn't widely known.
Presently the biggest niggle about the BambuLab printer is that in order to easily get all of the features, you have to print through the cloud.
That would be a no-go for me. At the point of forcing me to use some online service in order to use a piece of hardware I have purchased, I am no longer interested.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
@ dimprov
I ordered the MK3S+ first before I even knew the Bambulab exists. Some days after ordering I found the Bambulab. I immediately placed an order for the Bambulab.
I have resold the Prusa before I even unpacked it.
It's not that I think the Prusa is a bad printer. It is just that the Bambulab has all those features I was missing on the Prusa.
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Yeah.. Our College is ordering 2 printers.. was going to go with MK3.. but in school environment the enclosure is important in case we ever print ASA as we will need to vent if doing anything like that with students. The X1C is $300 cheaper in Canada from one vendor I checked.. The whole communication aspect is a big feature for me. Being able to send prints easily via network, without having to pay another $200 for a pi4, and then to install and setup, is also important.. then add all other stuff.. hard to justify the Prusa. I like their AMS but seems on those types of units it might be best to wait until a ver 2 comes out so they shake out the mechanical weaknesses. If you added cost of Pi4, camera, steel nozzle, enclosure to Prusa, X1C comes in, maybe, over $1000 cheaper.. really unreal. So for us, 2 x X1C about same as similarly outfitted MK3+
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
So, at the end of the day, it depends on what you want out of your printer.
It seems that if you value all its more advanced features and the fact that you don't have to do upgrades to be able to print with materials that require an enclosure, X1C / P1P seem to be the better value.
However, if you value repairability (because of open source designs / parts), noise/vibration requirements, safety checks and support/community, MK3S+ seems to have the upper hand.
Lastly, If you like the MK3S+ design but your budget is smaller, then some of the MK3S clones may be worth looking at.
I fall in the second category but agree that it would be nice to see an MK4 at some point (I've seen some indications at some point but nothing official I think).
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
As for me, when I looked at the price for the official MK3 enclosure, not to mention all the DIY add-ons required for equivalency, I realized it was time to switch. I still have my MK3S, but... I'm not sure how much longer. Well, it was a fun ride while it lasted.
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What I meant to say is that there is no MK4. No upgrade path, other than DIY. However, that said, I nonetheless do look forward to trying the Prusa XL whenever that gets sorted out. I guess maybe it is, effectively, the MK4? Unfortunately, you can't get there from here. 😉 And, besides, Tom Sanlanerer is still in love with the MK3, so it has its audience, and I'm happy for them.
RE: Prusa MK3S+ vs Bambu Lab X1 carbon
I guess it's all relative. When it comes to print speed, this guy's impressive super upgraded voron zero shows what is possible, and he isn't even finished pushing the limits:
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I printed my first parts with PLA and PETG.
The printer is fast and print quality is very good, but its not free from issues.
On the top image you a see a part printed with the Bambulab with PETG. On the bottom there is the same part printed with my ultimaker original (PLA). The bambulab print clearly shows artefacts. The same artefacts are visible as well when printed with PLA, but then they are far less emphasized. The ancient ultimaker does not show any artefacts. Any idea what might be the problem?