Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
@sean.h8:
No offence, but it looks as if you are hurt because your niche interest is becoming mainstream.
I've been there - I've been eating chili peppers before it became cool.
Now there are lots of companies producing stuff I can buy, and it's not so special anymore...
Back to printers:
Do you really think it's a bad thing that there is now so much choice available that simply ANYONE can pick up a 3d Printer and fool around with it?
Of course, there is the usual problem of people misusing them or misunderstanding them, and bad-mouthing them without thinking.
OTOH, there are now people printing and perhaps designing who never even thought about it, and never would if even simple printers would still cost 1k+ .
Even if a manufacturer ignores the GPL and gives nothing in return but cheap printers - they still give cheap printers that create future users of better printers.
If I hadn't bought that cheap Wanhao i3, I'd probably never started printing - I'd certainly not consider buying an original Prusa for 1k+ as a complete n00b.
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No kidding on the Amazon thing. First result:
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Pretty crappy that it even seems to imply that it is a Prusa kit.
I don't think that the name "Prusa" is a trademark, IMO it is certainly used as a model/type name. How else are you going to identify a printer of a Prusa i3 type?
There's probably a (legal) reason why THE Prusa always writes "Original Prusa".
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Not sure how this post turned into a Thread about the GPL but what ever,
Just contacted Prusa support again about the set of gears I ordered back on March 30th they were not on back order and I have been told twice in the last week that they would go out next day, I am pretty sure they are just messing with me now because I am not happy with the printer and I am making waves.
What is the chat regarding? Shipping inquiry
Marina
Fri, 04/13/18 09:59:27 am America
Hello. How may I help you?
Joseph L
Any Idea when My order number here will ship it was ordered two weeks ago and was not listed as back ordered
Marina
10:01:11 am
Just give me a few minutes and I'll check
I can't really tell why your order was delayed, sorry. I have placed priority in your order so it will be shipped ASAP
10:05:08 am
Joseph L
10:06:08 am
Okay, but I was told that three times already I'll just keep waiting with out a build plate it not like I can use the printer anyways
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
@sean.h8
Also your whole point about supporting the community and prusa etc etc has brought about the exact opposite response. I started with a cheap Chinese clone and then bought a more expensive one, and then another printer and then finally the MK3, because I liked the tech and wanted to start supporting them. But out of all the manufactures they are the only ones that feel like a beta cash grab, that literally offers no support. If a part fails on my cheap Chinese printer guess what they are sending me a new one. Prusa told me I can purchase another one from their store "when it comes available" which is a slap in the face. You sell me a shit product and tell me to buy more? No thanks, I for one will not be giving any more money to Prusa.
So your misplaced ideals to drive adoption and support have resulted in the opposite. Less people will be supporting the companies "that need it" according to you and your community will suffer.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
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If a part fails on my cheap Chinese printer guess what they are sending me a new one.
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It will be great if you could describe this more briefly. Which printer? Which platform? How was a process to get a new one?
Often linked posts:
Going small with MMU2
Real Multi Material
My prints on Instagram
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Sorry you didn't find the Prusa I3 MK3 met your expectations.
It takes both negative and positive experiences to help our community grow.
Good luck with your new Lutzbot printer, and thank you for sharing your experiences.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
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If a part fails on my cheap Chinese printer guess what they are sending me a new one.
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It will be great if you could describe this more briefly. Which printer? Which platform? How was a process to get a new one?
Sure CR10, the bed motor made a clicking noise. I emailed gear best, they sent me a new one.
In the case of the MK3, one side of the metal sheet the PEI cracked, I was told its not covered and to buy a new one when they are in stock. But it seems to me to likely be a manufacturing defect since the bubbling and lack of sheets for sale and the few people on the forums having issue with it.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Sure CR10, the bed motor made a clicking noise. I emailed gear best, they sent me a new one.
Was it inside or outside 30 days after purchase? Thanks for sharing your experience with GearBest.
Often linked posts:
Going small with MMU2
Real Multi Material
My prints on Instagram
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Sure CR10, the bed motor made a clicking noise. I emailed gear best, they sent me a new one.
Was it inside or outside 30 days after purchase? Thanks for sharing your experience with GearBest.
Ordered on Dec 22 , started the replacement email on Jan 22nd.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
I just heard that Joel (3d Printing nerd) just sent his pre-assembled I3 Mk3 Back I am glad this proves it doesn't have anything to do with the "Knack" as the number of people with Pre-assembled I3 MK3 with issues is growing maybe we will get some traction on a fix now.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
I just heard that Joel (3d Printing nerd) just sent his pre-assembled I3 Mk3 Back I am glad this proves it doesn't have anything to do with the "Knack" as the number of people with Pre-assembled I3 MK3 with issues is growing maybe we will get some traction on a fix now.
Have a source?
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Its in his latest video on youtube. The egg that broke his printer.
He says it started to jam and was having Z shifts.
The other MK3 printers were printing fine he said though. Food for thought. Some print great, others are not. Just like we see on the forums.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
It was the pre-assembled unit that he sent back, BTW.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
just something i noticed on my mk3. when i replaced my X axis parts for newer ones i had to take the machine apart pretty far back to be able to replace them. in the process i was following the online manual to re-assemble the machine. this was because my mk3 was assembled by prusa and didn't come with an assembly manual(kit only)
while assembling i noticed prusa seems to have cut a lot of corners on zip ties and there placement on the frame and some hardware wasn't 100% correct. so i corrected all that to the online manual when re-assembling. now in my case there wasn't any improvement. the machine functioned but the same as before. i had also updated the firmware to the latest 3.1.2 at that time.
now because my mk3 didn't go well i bought another MK2S as a kit. my first one was built by prusa. using my original as a guide i can see prusa did cut corners assembling that machine as well.
in short there is a discrepancy between the ready to go built verse the home built by each person.
“One does not simply use a picture as signature on Prusa forumsâ€
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Hey, was reading this thread and as my eyes were beginning to droop, I noticed the debate about "smuggling," copyright infringement, and importing copyright infringement items into the US. I am in law enforcement in the US and if you are interested about how this actually works, read on. Otherwise ignore my post as I am staying out of the debate (but I did enjoy reading it).
Copyright infringement on a intellectual property such as this is NOT a criminally enforceable action and the police, FBI, Customs, or any other US law enforcement agency will not get involved in dealing with it or stopping the importing of a copyright infringement item (unless there are other laws being violated). When someone's copyright is being violated it is SOLELY up to the copyright or patent holder to enforce it. They must hire lawyers and file civil law suits against the party or company infringing on their copyright or patent. Once a judge decides who is right then monetary damages are ordered and possibly a cease and desist order could be issued. IF one side does not comply with the judge's order, a contempt warrant MIGHT be issued and an arrest order drafted for contempt of civil order, but it is still not criminal. The arrest order is only for the purpose of gaining compliance with whatever judgement order that was issued when they are not compliant. They will never go after a purchaser or user of the infringed items. Only the infringer themselves.
So, go right ahead and order a CR-10s. I am not aware of any civil suits related to them as of yet. But if there are, you won't be branded a pirate.
Now this is different than bootlegging a product pretending to be the original, such as fake Rolex watches, fake Louis Vuitton purses, DVD's and Music. That is straight up copying and IS criminally actionable. The difference is that they are straight copying the items from top to bottom and pretending to be the original.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
. . . the police, FBI, Customs, or any other US law enforcement agency will NOT get involved in dealing with it or stopping the importing of a copyright infringement item . . .
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
Its in his latest video on youtube. The egg that broke his printer.
He says it started to jam and was having Z shifts.
The other MK3 printers were printing fine he said though. Food for thought. Some print great, others are not. Just like we see on the forums.
When Angus from Maker's Muse (on Youtube) did a video on the results of the prints of the same object (the egg) sent in by his viewers - all the prints done on a Mk3 had very noticeable surface quality issues - this is not my opinion, this is something he himself pointed out, it was fairly obvious from simply looking at the prints that the Mk3 results were somewhat poor when compared to other printers.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
To everything thinking of a Prusa check out this thread and no it isn't from me.
https://www.thingiverse.com/groups/prusa-i3/forums/general/topic:25220
but it very well could be
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
To everything thinking of a Prusa check out this thread and no it isn't from me.
https://www.thingiverse.com/groups/prusa-i3/forums/general/topic:25220
but it very well could be
I just wish we can all try/continue to keep the discussions a bit more productive. Not pointing fingers but from some of the all-caps FUD being posted around the web you might belive prusa is the actual antichrist.
some mk3s have issues. some mk3s have serious issues. some instances of support seriously dropping the ball exist. but quite clearly the company has a proven track record and its clear to see what the mk2/mk2.3/mk3 are capable of, so if the mk3 is not for you then great! good luck with lulzbot or wherever, and for the rest of us lets focus on resolving the remaining issues.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
When Angus from Maker's Muse (on Youtube) did a video on the results of the prints of the same object (the egg) sent in by his viewers - all the prints done on a Mk3 had very noticeable surface quality issues - this is not my opinion, this is something he himself pointed out, it was fairly obvious from simply looking at the prints that the Mk3 results were somewhat poor when compared to other printers.
Notice it also appears to be on his own gold fillamentum mk3 printed egg in the first video that he shows it in. Long-story-short, fillamentum filaments (especially the glitter versions) are "hide-my-print-imperfection" type filaments. Not a good material choice for showing up any possible shortcomings in print quality.
Re: Goodbye fariwell and peace out
My Final review
This was not a kit, I did not build it Prusa did.
Looking around this forum I do not think I am the only one having issues with the Prusa I3 Mk3, my printer is down I just put it back in the box and shoved it in the garage next to the freezer.
I had what I call the twisted cork screw of doom. The PLA stayed stuck to the bed forming a stalig(mite/tite) from the hot end to the build sheet. The Printer ran for hours pumping plastic and twisting till it pulled a 3CM chunk out of the stock PEI.
I purchased a new build sheet from Amazon because Prusa was out of stock. it looked like garbage once it was stuck to the spring steel. I tried printing on the stock PEI side I had left from the factory and the quality was horrid nothing stuck figured the chunk was making it uneven, so I purchase two more sheets from a vendor with nearly perfect rating. I removed both pieces of PEI, and spent three hours cleaning the spring steel (Freeze for an hour or so, Peel off old torn, scratched or gouged up PEI, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive ,Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone, Scrape off old adhesive, Soak in Acetone and scrub with brass brush
sheet, it still looks like garbage.) I couldn’t get a half way decent print to save my life, figured maybe I screwed up the Hotend. (cleaning the spring steel is for the birds, two sheets of PEI and the Acetone cost more then a new build plate if they are ever in stock.)
I purchased all new hot end from Prusa, I purchased new plastic parts (one arrived broken) and spent two hours slowly going over the build process bit by bit and triple checking everything. Somewhere in the process I lost the tiny grub screw that holds the extruder drive gear. So, I contacted Prusa and I was told by support it was a standard M3x3 I asked if they had them and they didn’t so I ordered a pack off Amazon an M3x3 is too long, I contacted support again and was told it was a M3x3 so I figured maybe Amazon shipped the wrong parts (you would think tech support would know what is on their product)so I ordered a new set from a different vendor again too long.
I contacted Prusa again and after a three day wait I was told they are an M3x2 which I couldn’t find on eBay or Amazon, so I ordered a new set of Bondtech gears, (still waiting on that item) in the mean time I found a M3x2.5 and Ground it down still couldn't get a print worth a pile of beans.
Maybe it is the non-Prusa PEI maybe my plate is warped I can't tell and I can't test because both the PEI and Plate are out of stock.
Just found out the replacement build plates are still out of stock with no ETA in site so I am done, I am done being Prusa’s Alpha tester, I am done waiting for parts, I am done waiting for supplies. At this point I have spent over 1500 bucks on this printer and printed less than one roll of filament, I gave it the best chance possible, I only used Prusa filament, I used default settings from Prusa control. I just
Put printer in box and I will forget about it till Prusa has new build plates in stock (est. Dec. 2025) I
Pulled out my Bankcard purchase a Taz 6, I Smiled when the tracking number show it is on the way, I was happy the store has parts in stock if I need them, and Lutzbot’s support seems to know what parts are on the printer.
P.S. in closing I find it odd that all the reviewers got the PEI powder coated build plates, and in most cases extra build plates but us little people can’t even buy one, if I was JOEL I bet I would have had a different experience all together.
I wish you all luck if you will excuse me I am going to go drink some Single Malt and wait for my new printer.
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What a circle jerk.... this turned into a prusa issue fest when the OP's issue isn't even a prusa problem. it's a general 3D printing issue that has the same probability of happening on any darn machine you buy. from $200 to $10,000.... I've never saw a machine yet that could even detect this issue let alone prevent it if the bed is dirty or doesn't stick. what machine checks for bed stickiness? none.... should they? hell yeah. what about curled up prints that catch the head and fly off? (model's with skinny legs anyone?) machines are nearly all the same in general, and Bed adhesion is always one of those main issues with 3d printing in general. The only solution that might mitigate this is the plated e3d blocks that don't let filament stick to, or at least less. they have some new thing in the works mentioned from MRRF as well like an anti-stick coating... but it could still stick to the fan shroud or other areas so it still a potential issue but maybe not a "replace" hot end issue.
The only thing here that is a prusa issue is that it they had no plates and PEI sheets and maybe support but coming to the forum to double check is trivial. plus you can never have too many screws.
Applying a PEI sheet with that super sticky 3M tape takes patients and mastery no matter... removing one is a pain in the ass regardless. The steel sheet has TWO pei sheets on it anyway. unless it was bent, i see no reason it still wouldn't work unless your live z wasn't properly calibrated to begin with.
Taz 6 has PEI sheets too, same procedure for removing it and applying it... SAME THING! no matter where you buy one it's all the same and you will have to replace it eventually. guaranteed. if you haven't honed your PEI sticking skills it will also look like shit and full of bubbles like trying to properly apply a screen protector. that's why i buy extras just in case. however usually only extra 3M tape case... the PEI sheet is fine generally if you get it removed then re-apply with new tape. which is why a 1-2mm PEI is nice, easier to deal with.
Any other issues are real but still... wayyy off topic from OP's post... shit happens, op's pissed, has no one else to blame so prusa takes the hit. lol