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mhg
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nozzle temp

if i hold the nozzle fan i can get the temp of the nozzle to go to the 210 but when i let it go the temp drops to 162.  is there a solution to this problem?  

Posted : 31/10/2020 3:47 pm
karl-herbert
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RE: nozzle temp
Posted by: @mhg

if i hold the nozzle fan i can get the temp of the nozzle to go to the 210 but when i let it go the temp drops to 162.  is there a solution to this problem?  

Such an extreme drop in temperature is unusual. I think that either the thermistor or the cartridge heater is not working properly. I would check all wires and connectors.
Thermsitor internal resistance = 100kohms at 25 degrees C. Room temperature
heating cartridge 12V/40W internal resistance = approx. 3.6ohms
heating cartridge 24V/40W internal resistance = approx. 14.4ohms

 

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Posted : 31/10/2020 4:35 pm
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Topic starter answered:
RE: nozzle temp

ugh i need to figure out how to do that.  can you recommend any videos?

Posted : 31/10/2020 5:07 pm
bobstro
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RE: nozzle temp
Posted by: @mhg

if i hold the nozzle fan i can get the temp of the nozzle to go to the 210 but when i let it go the temp drops to 162.  is there a solution to this problem?  

Obvious concern is whether the fan is being directed onto the heater block and nozzle improperly. From your description, I'd expect removing the fan shroud completely to allow the nozzle to fully heat. Check the fan shroud alignment. Consider adding a silicone sock to insulate the block from the fan.

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Posted : 31/10/2020 5:20 pm
karl-herbert
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RE: nozzle temp

I once did the work and tested the temperature drops on an original well working MK3 (without silicone sock):

fanspeed bin. 0-255 fanspeed in % max. possible temp bef. mintemp      
 
255 100% 232⁰C      
230 90% 236⁰C      
204 80% 238⁰C      
179 70% 258⁰C      
153 60% 277⁰C      
128 50% 298⁰C      
102 40% 305⁰C      
77 30% 305⁰C      
51 20% 305⁰C      
26 10% 305⁰C      
0 0% 305⁰C      

Fullspeed should be no problem at 210degrees C.

With MK2.5 it will probably be similar.

 

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Posted : 31/10/2020 5:49 pm
thebrucecrowder
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RE: nozzle temp

Did you ever find a solution to this? I am having similar issues, though not quite as dramatic of a drop. Just finished MK2 >> MK2.5s upgrade, version R4. No MMU in my case. 

Posted : 05/01/2021 2:33 pm
thebrucecrowder
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RE: nozzle temp

I believe I found my issue. Hotend heater resistance is 5.7 ohms, which is consistent with a 25W heater. Should be 40W. Though the leads are red at the head, they are blue where they come out to the panel (again consistent with 25W heater). My printer is a mk2 ordered in 2016, so I guess that's what they used back then. It can't keep up with the bigger blower used in the new house extruder.

Posted : 06/01/2021 3:16 am
JoanTabb
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RE: nozzle temp

@thebrucecrowder

also check your power supply voltage, my mk2 was lower than 12 volts, there is an adjuster by the power connectors on the power supply, under the plastic cover

regards Joan

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Posted : 06/01/2021 4:35 am
thebrucecrowder
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RE: nozzle temp

@joantabb

Thanks so much for the input. I did check the input voltage (on the heat connector while preheating) and measured 11.9 for the nozzle and 11.6 for the bed. I got a new heater cartridge (from filamentone) and though is says 40W/12V, it only measures 5.2ohms. So the output power will be 12^2/5.2 = 28W.

I'm going to start a new topic.

Posted : 09/01/2021 5:34 pm
Tom Anderson (The Real NEO)
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RE: nozzle temp

Try my nozzle fan shroud fix

https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/56604-mk25-fan-shroud-fix

Posted : 07/04/2021 10:31 am
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