Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
which is better in your opinion , have you tried both of this nozzles? which works better for what purpose?
are they both good for abrasive material like wood/copper/metal/etc.. fill filaments?
are they good with polycorbanite(PC)?
which is better for glow in the dark filament with hard particles, or is there a nozzle alternative that is cheaper that will work insted?
are there cheaper alternatives for this nozzle?
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
One thing to keep in mind about both types: They are really meant for printing abrasive materials at high temperatures. If you're just printing PLA and PETG and other relatively tame filaments, you definitely don't need either.
- Nozzle-X is hardened steel with all the associated downsides to thermal characteristics. It's coated. It's hardened. It's a nice nozzle, but you may still have to twiddle temps to deal with the characteristics of the steel.
- The Olsson Ruby has that sexy (and expensive) tip, but if you search around a bit, you'll find that it also has a significant step between the nozzle and ruby tip that has generated many complaints. They're also vulnerable to shattering under circumstances that wouldn't damage a plain nozzle.
To answer your questions:
- Both are good for abrasives.
- Both are good for PC.
- Glow in the Dark is just another abrasive (although a surprisingly abrasive abrasive).
That said, there are cheaper alternatives which might be just as good if you don't want to spend so much.
- I'm personally fond of either E3D's nickel-coated copper or P3-D's Apollo coated nozzles for non-abrasive printing. They offer thermal characteristics that are better than brass, and are roughly half the price of Nozzle-X, and a fraction of the Ruby. P3-D's are harder than brass, but not "hardened".
- If you just want to print abrasives, I've had a lot more fun with several sizes of hardened steel nozzles for the price of a single Ruby.
- If you really want to go for an expensive nozzle, search for the thread here on Titanium nozzles. Cost somewhere between Nozzle-X and the Ruby, offer superior thermal characteristics and can print abrasives.
Whichever way you go, keep in mind that all nozzles -- even the expensive ones -- are ultimately consumables. There are people that are fond of each option. I've got a couple of Nozzle-X in larger sizes, and keep them mounted when printing big stuff. They're great. I'd just save a few bucks if I had it to do over again. I am glad I opted to try many different nozzle sizes rather than trying to decide early on which single size I want to live with.
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RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Tungsten CARBIDE nozzles are great all round nozzle. They have the thermal conductivity of brass. So, they will properly melt PETG despite PETG's fan requirement for good geometry. That means you can use hour usual filament profiles without increasing heat block temperature like you need with hardened steel nozzles. They also are hardened and work well with carbon fiber. You won't shatter the tip running into the head bed.
Tungsten carbide also are pretty good in terms of clean up. With just a q-tip, I can wipe off polycarb in a few seconds with the nozzle at temperature.
I use one from Spool3D for my polycarb dedicated machine. Pairs very well with the print fan-fussy, Mosquito Magnum hot end.
BTW DO NOT CONFUSE TUNGSTEN CARBIDE WITH TUNGSTEN ALLOY. They are not the same thing.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Tungsten CARBIDE nozzles are great all round nozzle. They have the thermal conductivity of brass. So, they will properly melt PETG despite PETG's fan requirement for good geometry. That means you can use hour usual filament profiles without increasing heat block temperature like you need with hardened steel nozzles. They also are hardened and work well with carbon fiber. You won't shatter the tip running into the head bed.
Tungsten carbide also are pretty good in terms of clean up. With just a q-tip, I can wipe off polycarb in a few seconds with the nozzle at temperature.
I use one from Spool3D for my polycarb dedicated machine. Pairs very well with the print fan-fussy, Mosquito Magnum hot end.
BTW DO NOT CONFUSE TUNGSTEN CARBIDE WITH TUNGSTEN ALLOY. They are not the same thing.
if i were to get this nozzle tungsten carbide nozzle, should work well on abrasives like wood, copper, brass, metal, PC and Glow in dark? or works better on some infused filament better then others?
based on your experience how often do they ware out and you have to get a new one?
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
+1 for TC Nozzles. The One Nozzle to rule them all. Great Thermals, Hard as Nails (well harder) so perfect for abrasive material as well as normal stuff. I have no idea why these are not the std nozzle material. Mine has been great.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Sheesh, Tungsten not Titanium. I shouldn't post tired.
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RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Posting tired can create interesting verbiage.
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RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I though he had come up with a new nozzle for us to try: or even Tantalcarbide ... that would be cool.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I though he had come up with a new nozzle for us to try: or even Tantalcarbide ... that would be cool.
Well, there's always unobtainium. I don't want to brag though.
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He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Tungsten CARBIDE nozzles are great all round nozzle. They have the thermal conductivity of brass. So, they will properly melt PETG despite PETG's fan requirement for good geometry. That means you can use hour usual filament profiles without increasing heat block temperature like you need with hardened steel nozzles. They also are hardened and work well with carbon fiber. You won't shatter the tip running into the head bed.
Tungsten carbide also are pretty good in terms of clean up. With just a q-tip, I can wipe off polycarb in a few seconds with the nozzle at temperature.
I use one from Spool3D for my polycarb dedicated machine. Pairs very well with the print fan-fussy, Mosquito Magnum hot end.
BTW DO NOT CONFUSE TUNGSTEN CARBIDE WITH TUNGSTEN ALLOY. They are not the same thing.
if i were to get this nozzle tungsten carbide nozzle, should work well on abrasives like wood, copper, brass, metal, PC and Glow in dark? or works better on some infused filament better then others?
based on your experience how often do they ware out and you have to get a new one?
Tungsten carbide: Mohs' hardness=9.09, thermal conductivity=110 W/m/K, heat capacity (volumetric)=2.9 MJ/kg/m^3
Crystalline alumina (ruby, sapphire): Mohs' hardness=9, thermal conductivity=30 W/m/K, heat capacity=3 MJ/kg/m^3
Looks like they're very close to equal in hardness (note there's several ways of measuring this, Mohs' seems reasonable for abrasion resistance), a given sized chunk of each will have basically the same heat capacity, and the thermal conductivity of WC is far better.
However, one of the two tungsten carbide nozzles I've found has a steel body.
I wonder why the Olsson Ruby uses ruby. Ruby and sapphire are the same material, ruby is just colored by trace amounts of chromium and is produced in smaller quantities, while sapphire can be colorless or colored by a variety of trace impurities and is produced in 200+ kg boules, and seems to be available at lower cost.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
It's the thermal conductivity that helps TC be better than ruby. The problem with printing using the ruby is getting the ruby small enough it doesn't reduce heat flow to a point it won't support reasonable material flow. And getting the ruby that small increases its integrity and reliability: they crack as it is if any outside force is applied.
TC is just an all-around-better solution, imo.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
@mop
Another +1 for the Tungsten Carbide nozzles from Spool 3D. I have been printing abrasives, PLA, and PETG with 0.6mm and 0.8mm nozzles with no problems - I just use the Prusaslicer presets. The surface seems to be quite non-stick and so the nozzle is very easy to keep clean. As to longevity - I've only printed a hundred hours or so, so it's too early to tell. There is no reason not to expect a very long life as Tungsten Carbide is very hard.
Like anything that is good quality - they are expensive.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Oh, and they are solid Tungsten carbide as far as I can tell - not a steel-tungsten carbide hybrid like some.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I would love to buy one on them, but the shipping is 27.
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RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I see one listing on Amazon US. https://www.amazon.com/Nozzle-Tungsten-Carbide-3D-Passion/dp/B07V1XZYRD that looks correct, but is not yet reviewed. Free shipping but still $72+ total and it is a marketplace seller, not Amazon.
There are some other Tungsten (non-carbide) nozzle also listed on Amazon US, but I would stay away from those alloy nozzles.
Might be better off to get more than one from Spool3D to reduce the shipping/nozzle.
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I would love to buy one on them, but the shipping is 27.
which country or state are you in for my region the cheapest option is (not in Canada)
Lettermail - No Tracking (Lettermail) $5.00
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I would love to buy one on them, but the shipping is 27.
which country or state are you in for my region the cheapest option is (not in Canada)
Lettermail - No Tracking (Lettermail) $5.00
for NY/Manhattan the rates are
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
@mop
Another +1 for the Tungsten Carbide nozzles from Spool 3D. I have been printing abrasives, PLA, and PETG with 0.6mm and 0.8mm nozzles with no problems - I just use the Prusaslicer presets. The surface seems to be quite non-stick and so the nozzle is very easy to keep clean. As to longevity - I've only printed a hundred hours or so, so it's too early to tell. There is no reason not to expect a very long life as Tungsten Carbide is very hard.
Like anything that is good quality - they are expensive.
have you tried the smaller .4 TC nozzle? due to the small diameter is that why you have have .6/.8, does the .4 TC nozzle get lot of clogs with abrasives?
RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
Sale made - order placed. You guys should get a commission.
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RE: Olson Ruby VS E3d Nozzle X
I just couldn't click on buy due to the shipping cost and to be honest I don't actually need the TC nozzle yet, so will wait until it becomes available with less shipping cost.
Anyway I have too many other things on the go and not enough time as it is. Work keeps getting in the way 😀
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