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HappyKatz
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Dyeing filaments - PETG, PVB, Nylon, PLA ?

Not a print (yet), more of a question - does anyone here have experience dyeing filament to get a desired color / effect ? I have seen this post ( https://richrap.blogspot.com/2013/04/3d-printing-with-nylon-618-filament-in.html) on dyeing Nylon from 2013: wondering if anyone here has had experience more recently and / or with other materials.  Ideally, I could dye my PVB to get a stained - glass like finish with different colors from stock.

 

 

Prusa is MK4S w/ MMU3 (formerly MK4 / MMU3, MK3S+/MMU2), 2 Prusa MINI+, Octoprint. PETG, PVB, (some) PLA.

Posted : 02/09/2024 6:22 pm
Diem
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There is another way: 

You can get quite a strong 'stained glass' effect by starting with clear filament.

Cheerio,

Posted : 03/09/2024 7:40 am
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HappyKatz
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RE: Dyeing filaments - PETG, PVB, Nylon, PLA ?

@diem - thanks for this - I was considering how to apply the dye as the filament rolls off the spool. The marker hack produces a nice result (just need to make an adapter for MK4/MMU3).

That said, I am still looking at ways to increase the pigment infusion into the filament if I can to get bolder color: using a hygroscopic filament like PVB, I can get the dye to soak through almost to the core, and get some very strong, true color. 

So far, with PETG, I am only getting the dye around the outer ring of the filament (like the marker method, but a bit deeper), which results in a nice, stable looking color with translucent PETG, but with a solid PETG (like white), you can see that the blend is inconsistent, resulting in a lighter color and striping.

Posting a pic of my first dye job for reference here if someone else wants to try this. The dye was  red iDyePoly for synthetics ( https://www.jacquardproducts.com/idye-main). The top was a translucent PVB filament, the next a translucent PETG, the next a white PETG (note striping due to inconsistent blend, shallow dye penetration).

Ultimately, I'd like to get to the point where I can blend not just a nice color, but rather a specific color that can get me a consistent match to a hex color code. Mellonta tauta!

 

 

 

Prusa is MK4S w/ MMU3 (formerly MK4 / MMU3, MK3S+/MMU2), 2 Prusa MINI+, Octoprint. PETG, PVB, (some) PLA.

Posted : 03/09/2024 3:12 pm
HappyKatz
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Update on this - if you want to try it at home with PETG, you must use the synthetic dyes. The RIT all purpose dyes (like these: https://www.ritdye.com/type/all-purpose-dye/) won't dent the PETG, even when it is heated to the point of deformation.

Prusa is MK4S w/ MMU3 (formerly MK4 / MMU3, MK3S+/MMU2), 2 Prusa MINI+, Octoprint. PETG, PVB, (some) PLA.

Posted : 04/09/2024 4:35 pm
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Clear PETG dyed  brown

Yes you absolutely can dye filament.  I dye PETG to get colors nobody offers. I find the PETG accepts the dye well, and will withstand the necessary high temperature.

Do NOT use regular Rit dye. It will do nothing. Use their synthetic dye called DyeMore.

The dye must remain VERY hot, so you need a big pot and a good thermometer. Do a test run on a throwaway print to see what max temp your filament will take, and how long it needs to soak for the desired color.

Have a look. The lampshade is clear petg dyed brown.

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Posted : 27/11/2024 10:47 am
John Paul
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RE: Dyeing filaments - PETG, PVB, Nylon, PLA ?

Dyeing filament can be tricky but rewarding! Nylon is the easiest to dye with fabric dyes like Rit. For PVB, you might try alcohol-based dyes since it's soluble in isopropyl alcohol. Haven't heard much success with PETG or PLA, though—anyone here experimented?

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Not a print (yet), more of a question - does anyone here have experience dyeing filament to get a desired color / effect ? I have seen this post ( https://richrap.blogspot.com/2013/04/3d-printing-with-nylon-618-filament-in.html) on dyeing Nylon from 2013: wondering if anyone here has had experience more recently and / or with other materials.  Ideally, I could dye my PVB to get a stained - glass like finish with different colors from stock.

 

 

 

Posted : 30/11/2024 5:45 am
HappyKatz
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RE: Dyeing filaments - PETG, PVB, Nylon, PLA ?

Actually, yes 🙂 I have been doing this with PVB and PETG, and the methods I use work comparably for both. Since I posted this, I experimented with the following:

1) Alcohol ink applied directly to the filament as it unspools into the printer using these ( https://www.jacquardproducts.com/pinata-alcohol-ink).  These have the advantage that you can apply them directly to the filament without heat as it unspools into the printer (as with the sharpie method). Further, you can mix any CMYK color that you wish, as the blue, yellow, and magenta are "true" to color.  

2) Synthetic dyes cooked into the filament using these ( https://www.jacquardproducts.com/idye-poly). These are also more or less true to color, but depending on the absorbency of the dye material you may get one or more of the CMY elements overpowering the others.

I can elaborate on the methods, if folks are interested. The results are worth talking about here, though.

The synthetic dyes process can give a deep, strong color on translucent filaments (see pic - natural PVB colored with black, blue, and magenta synthetic RIT dye, with a stripe of prusament yellow for comparison). The degree of uniformity of the color depends on how deep the dye penetrates into the filament. In general, the dyes penetrate deeper into the PVB than the PETG. If the dye does not penetrate sufficiently, you may see stripes of darker color especially in spiral vase mode. 

The alcohol inks deposit on top of the filament, rather than absorbing into the filament, so you will see more uniformity variance than with the dye process. Further, the alcohol inks won't provide a much deeper color than a strong pastel (see flower vase pic). The ink is effectively a contaminant, and so the more deposited on the filament, the weaker the layer adhesion (see cracking on left most flower vase), which can be an issue in spiral vase mode, or for delicate parts.

Tl: dr; synthetic dyes are a great way to add a strong pure color to transparent filament for decorative and jewelry effects, and combine well with PVB / chemical smoothing. Alcohol inks can add color either to a strong base color, or to a transparent filament for a more subtle effect, with no pre-processing required. Either way, you can take control of the final color of your finished product without painting 🙂

 

 

Prusa is MK4S w/ MMU3 (formerly MK4 / MMU3, MK3S+/MMU2), 2 Prusa MINI+, Octoprint. PETG, PVB, (some) PLA.

Posted : 03/12/2024 5:53 pm
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tdk408
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RE: Dyeing filaments - PETG, PVB, Nylon, PLA ?

I am very pleased with the result of my dyed PETG projects. Here are some tips from my fabric dying days. I have only dyed clear PETG filament, although white should work well. In my experience dying fabric, white works best. You can try light colored fabrics, but it's tough to get the exact color you aim for. If you aren't too picky, then experiment away.  (Brown, black and dark colors are not worth the trouble, in my opinion.)  Having said that, I got excellent results dying sailing ropes with their red and blue threads.  If it doesn't look too great, dunk it in again. Mine sometimes wend 200% the recommended time for fabric. kep recirculating the  3D printed piece. Keep your old dye! It will work just as well 6-8 month from now if you keep it somewhere dark. I have used DyeMore a year after the initial project with no ill effects. Keep the dye in a rugged jug (think fabric soap, not milk jug) and then I keep the jugs in a big polyethylene bucket for spill control. Be sure to create a realistic test piece. strive t0 fail on a short easy-to-print piece than a masterpiece.  Dying a test piece is also good for dialing the temperature. You want it HOT HOT HOT right up the the point where the plastic starts to deform then dial back your temperature ten degrees less next time. You WILL need to reheat the dye bash from time time. Don't skip this step. Keep stirring and immersing unil you get your color.

Posted : 04/12/2024 7:43 am
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